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02-16-2014, 07:33 AM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
So far no one has presented a scripture saying a woman cannot preach...the silence scripture does not say women cannot preach....saying it means preach is adding to the Bible...It says for a woman to keep silence...what my friend knows but will not admit is this scripture was a quotation of a letter Paul recieved...just like he said in other places such as... 1 Cor. 7.....Remember this letter was written in response to the many questions the church was asking in another letter. 1 Corinthians 7:1 says, "Now for the matters you wrote about…" The Corinthian church wrote a letter asking Paul questions. I believe the passage you quoted was actually Paul quoting one of the false teachings going on in the Corinthian church. No wonder he could shout loud, WHAT....
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02-16-2014, 07:35 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Let me doucument that statement...But in chapters 7 through 14, Paul was responding to questions and statements that the Corinthians wrote to him. Let’s take a look:
1 Corinthians 7:1 “Now concerning things whereof YOU WROTE UNTO ME…”
1 Corinthians 8:1 “Now concerning things offered unto idols…”
1 Corinthians 12:1 “Now concerning spiritual gifts…”
Paul steps through the concerns, statements, and questions that they have written to him. In 1 Corinthians 12:1 Paul finally gets to the questions and matters about spiritual gifts and says, “Now concerning spiritual gifts…” and states that the “manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man (every person male and female)” (verse 7). He mentions different types of manifestations including the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, tongues and the interpretation of tongues, etc. Pay particular attention to the words “every man, each man, all members” etc. In these cases, the Greek word for “men or man” means people, humans–not only males, but both genders. The word “all” in the Greek means ALL, not half, not a certain few, not just males, but ALL! In 1 Corinthians 14:27-31 Paul sets the ground rules for “speaking in the church:”
IF ANY MAN (any person, male or female) SPEAK:
Unless there is NO INTERPRETER (male or female)…
Let the (male or female) PROPHETS SPEAK…
If anything be revealed to ANOTHER THAT SITS BY (whether male or female)…
For you may ALL (male and female) PROPHESY ONE BY ONE, THAT ALL (male and female) MAY LEARN AND ALL (male and female) may be exhorted.
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02-16-2014, 07:36 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Paul actually used their words in his letter when he addressed some of their concerns and said they were foolish and they weren’t of God. We have come to the place of turning the classic bondage Scriptures, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 into a liberating Scripture for you.
While Paul wrote his response (1 Corinthians) BACK to the Corinthian church, he previously read their letter that they sent to him – 1 Corinthians 7:1, “Now concerning things whereof YOU WROTE UNTO ME….” In fact, he wrote down parts of their letter back to them and rebuked them for their foolish teachings.
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02-16-2014, 07:37 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Paul established through his entire letter and particularly in chapters 11 thru 14 that there is no difference between a male and female being appointed and/or receiving the gifts, callings and offices of Christ. Before he wrote down their “foolish scripture” that they wrote to him, he wrote this preface: “God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints” ( 1 Corinthians 14:33). Then in verses 34-35 he repeated what they first wrote to him: “Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the Law. And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”
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02-16-2014, 07:37 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Immediately after Paul wrote this, the next word he wrote was, “WHAT?” (v36). In the Greek, the word “what” is a negative disclaimer. We would say, “What, are you nuts?” Paul said, “What? Came the word of God out from you? Or did it come unto you only?” (v36). Meaning, that the previous statement that he wrote from the letter he received from them referring that women are to keep silent in the church was not from God at all. In fact, it was pure silliness. He just finished writing in a few paragraphs before this what we now know as 1 Corinthians 11:1-16, establishing that when women prophesy, teach or speak in the church they are to have their heads covered. “But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered….” needs to put on her head covering and then it would be acceptable ( 1 Corinthians 11:5).
Paul goes on to say, “If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS THAT I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD, (NOT THE THINGS THAT YOU WRITE)” ( 1 Corinthians 14:37). Paul was saying that he was appointed to write the Scriptures and the Commands of God, not the Corinthian church.
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02-16-2014, 07:38 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Paul continues with: “If any man be ignorant (meaning the person who wrote this stupidity) let him be ignorant (if he does not acknowledge that what he wrote is not from the Lord”) (v38).
Paul then closes the subject and firmly establishes about males and females being in ministry and speaking in the church: “Wherefore, brethren (brethren does not mean male, it means ‘born out of the womb of God, born again’ — males and females), COVET TO PROPHESY AND FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES” (v39).
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02-16-2014, 07:40 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Remember the Talmud and all it's teachings? They were still guided by age old thinking...and it's many anti women laws...notice again...Paul exclaims "What?" Paul is almost beside himself when he reads back this statement from the letter written to him. Paul is not the one making the statement. Paul is quoting from the letter. The fact Paul exclaims, "What? came the word of God out from you?" shows that the statement came from the Corinthian church, and they were claiming to exclude the women from speaking based on the Law, which they claimed was the word of God.
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02-16-2014, 07:49 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Of course when you recognize that Paul did not teach the Talmud but Grace, you realize Paul would never use the Talmud to prove anything. The author of this statement about women remaining silent used the Talmud as the basis of this practice.
"But they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." Paul would never use the Law to enforce any behavior. Paul taught that the Law was nailed to the cross (see Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14), so why would he appeal to the Law to ban women? Paul did not agree with the statement but questioned it.
Only the Talmud had it's strange opinions about woman....there is NO law in the Bible that prohibits women from obeying God...In response to this ban on women, Paul says, "Let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command" (14:37). Paul taught and wrote that the women in Corinth could prophesy with their heads covered (ch 11). He also wrote, "For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged " (14:31). All can prophesy. That includes women!
The traditional interpretations of these two Scripture citations contradict clear passages that allow women to participate in Christian ministry, even in the assembly. It appears, so it seems to me, that 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 relates to what the Judaizers were saying, not Paul. I can not find one statement in the Old Testament where women were told to keep silent or could not take a position of leadership.
The old anti women opinion...Barak was a sissy so if God used a donkey He could use a woman...that statement in my opinion is borderline with calling God a fool...God makes no mistakes. He chose Deborah...He put it in her heart and blessed her and cursed those that would not fight with her for God's cause. We need to be careful lest we find ourselves cursing what God has blessed....
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02-16-2014, 08:09 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Only the Talmud designates the speech of women as “shameful…
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02-16-2014, 09:08 AM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
I am speaking today in a church...The pastor asked me to...so I am not out of order...In fact I prayed and asked God what should I say to help my friends and the lord spoke to me what to talk about...
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