End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

I agree, so does the scripture, and so does my former Bible school teacher, Dr. Daniel Seagraves. I remember how, at the beginning of my freshman year at CLC, there were some zealous young men who got their lederhosen all in bunches over a female student who was 1) a theology major and 2) she was nominated to be the junior class president. These young men became rather, oh, obnoxious with their objections. So, Brother Seagraves took them on a hermeneutical expedition through the New Testament and soundly reproved their foolishness. As a mere freshman, I was privileged to hear the recap of the lesson in our theology of the church class taught by Brother Seagraves. So the young lady remained in the theology program unmolested and she was elected junior class president. I will take the sound teaching of Daniel Seagravex over the copy and paste, pulled out of context mishmash that keeps being dumped out here by Larry Curly and Moe, theology 'experts' from the First Church of the 1950s School of Chauvanism.

Is this name calling? Admin alert!

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

If you were an honest person, you would not have stopped your highlighting spree before the rest of the definition of prophesy:

to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others (see προφήτης, II. 1 f.), 1 Corinthians 11:4, 5; 1 Corinthians 13:9; 1 Corinthians 14:1, 3, 4, 5, 24, 31, 39.

But since it disproves your eclectic Greek 'theology', you leave it out and hope nobody notices in the midst of your selectively highlighted partial definitions.

According to what you post here, any person who prophesies (male or female, the Holy Ghost doesn't differentiate) does more than just foretell things under divine inspiration: they also teach, refute, admonish and comfort others. Things your flawed theology reserves to males only, but the Bible does not.

Your theology is at best misinformed, but looks more and more to be a purposeful disregard of whatever does not fit your carefully contrived doctrine.

I suffer not a woman to teach or to usurp authority over the man. Cannot you see how absurd that is to interpret that a woman must learn in silence with all subjection 1 Tim 2:11, and you folks are saying 1 Tim 2 is the home, and yet Paul says that is the one place they can ask, but they are not to speak in the church for that is a shame. 1 Cor. 14:35. Obviously there is a distinction between praying and prophesying in contrast to preaching.

Paul is not saying to keep silence in the home in 1 Tim 2 and turn right around and command that is the place to ask and get their answers in 1 Cor 14. Obviously the place to keep silence (in regards to participating in teaching and asking questions) is in the church!

[pilgram]

Originally Posted by rdp

*No such thing as a "woman preacher" (in the official set-in ministerial office) according to the Bible - It couldn't possibly be clearer .


*Personally, my family & I (as well as innumerable preachers we know) would walk out if a "pastor" allowed a woman to get up & "preach/teach" a service in the face of such crystal-clear Scripture (e.g., I Timothy 2.11-15; I Cor. 14.34-35; etc.)

Under the qualifications for the ministry it clearly states "the husband of one wife"
That settles it right there.

[pilgram]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Are you saying that Jesus would not have women go out into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature and baptize them? Is that what you are saying? Are you saying that "Go YE therefore" is speaking to men only? Any man? Only Bishops? Only preachers? To whom is that verse speaking??

The Bible is the final authority; not what you or someone else "feels".

We all see on a daily basis how the world has warped people's thinking to where now in today's society what's right is now wrong and what's wrong is now right and frankly truth be told, a lot of women in this thread are out of order.

[RJR]

It is incredulous that the pro women preacher crowd is saying that 1 Tim 2: is underscoring the relationship between the wife and her husband. Should she be silent in the home 1Tim 2:11? That is the passage that states she is suppose to learn in silence with all subjection.

HELLO, you have a better chance of those women being quite in the church in 1 Cor 14:35, than you do the women being silent while their husband is teaching them at home.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

I agree, so does the scripture, and so does my former Bible school teacher, Dr. Daniel Seagraves. I remember how, at the beginning of my freshman year at CLC, there were some zealous young men who got their lederhosen all in bunches over a female student who was 1) a theology major and 2) she was nominated to be the junior class president. These young men became rather, oh, obnoxious with their objections. So, Brother Seagraves took them on a hermeneutical expedition through the New Testament and soundly reproved their foolishness. As a mere freshman, I was privileged to hear the recap of the lesson in our theology of the church class taught by Brother Seagraves. So the young lady remained in the theology program unmolested and she was elected junior class president. I will take the sound teaching of Daniel Seagravex over the copy and paste, pulled out of context mishmash that keeps being dumped out here by Larry Curly and Moe, theology 'experts' from the First Church of the 1950s School of Chauvanism.

LOL - Of course you will - It's simply what you want to believe !


And, I personally sent Segraves an email asking him about his beliefs regarding "women-preachers" - to which he never responded.


His teaching on this issue is chalk-full of "hermeneutical" error - & yes, I can prove it .


The Bible clearly militates against "women-teachers-preachers" in the church - & always will.


Poor ol' "Chauvanistic" Apostle Paul !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

If you were an honest person, you would not have stopped your highlighting spree before the rest of the definition of prophesy:

to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others (see προφήτης, II. 1 f.), 1 Corinthians 11:4, 5; 1 Corinthians 13:9; 1 Corinthians 14:1, 3, 4, 5, 24, 31, 39.


LOL - Ummm, actually it was YOU who "left out" the relevant portion of the quote. Here, lemme' help ya' out:


"To break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or in praise of the divine counsels— or, under the like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others (see προφήτης, II. 1 f.), 1 Corinthians 11:4, 5; 1 Corinthians 13:9; 1 Corinthians 14:1, 3, 4, 5, 24, 31, 39."


Kinda' "left something out" there didn't ya' ?



But since it disproves your eclectic Greek 'theology', you leave it out and hope nobody notices in the midst of your selectively highlighted partial definitions.


LOL - & You did the very thing you're ignorantly charging me with !




According to what you post here, any person who prophesies (male or female, the Holy Ghost doesn't differentiate) does more than just foretell things under divine inspiration: they also teach, refute, admonish and comfort others. Things your flawed theology reserves to males only, but the Bible does not.


Oh please, you wouldn't know sound exegesis if it bit you on the knee-cap (as you just demonstrated above). You once again omitted the precursor of "under the like prompting" of "break(ing) forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse" - then, & only then, does Dr. Thayer include "teach, refute, admonish."


You have once again demonstrated that you have no earthly clue what you're talking about & have no idea how to read lexical sources. If ignorance is bliss - you must live in a perpetual utopia !


Your theology is at best misinformed, but looks more and more to be a purposeful disregard of whatever does not fit your carefully contrived doctrine.

Yea, kinda' like you were just caught doing - once again (for about the 5th time). You do not know what on earth you're talking about - which is the very reason you defend "women-preachers." You're in a state of contented delusion .

[rdp]

Originally Posted by pilgram

Under the qualifications for the ministry it clearly states "the husband of one wife"

That settles it right there.

Precisely !

Originally Posted by pilgram

The Bible is the final authority; not what you or someone else "feels".

We all see on a daily basis how the world has warped people's thinking to where now in today's society what's right is now wrong and what's wrong is now right and frankly truth be told, a lot of women in this thread are out of order.

Exactly! Great points - but, trust me, they're dripping with defiance to clear biblical instructions, headship & the order of creation.


God Bless you !

[Praxeas]

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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pilgram

Under the qualifications for the ministry it clearly states "the husband of one wife"
That settles it right there.

No it does not say "the Ministry"

Paul was a Minister and there was no indication he was married and faithful over his house (how can he be when he was never at home?)