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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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Originally Posted by RJR
The prohibition was in TEACHING and EXERCISING AUTHORITY over the man. Silence was used in conjunction with teaching in 1 Tim 2. Why, it is impossible to teach without exercising authority.
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Right, but it doesn't mention preaching--or any other type of "noise." So why are you inferring preaching into the scripture?
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You may have a problem with that, but most certainly the scripture does not.
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I don't have a problem with anything scripture says. I do want to be clear on what it actually says, though.
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1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
The silence was in the church, as already demonstrated silence was in regards to teaching. Notice this chapter, 1 Cor 14, is in regards to the abuse of tongues, and Paul demonstrates that it would be better to teach with 5 words than 10,000 words in an unknown tongue.
1Co 14:19..Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
He also uses the word silence in regards to tongues, before he uses the term directed towards women. Let me demonstrate.
1Co 14:28.. ..But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Was this Paul saying that a man could not utter a word? No! As a matter of fact he follows this injunction of silence with let him speakThe prohibition was if there was no interpreter for the man to keep silence, in regards to teaching or edifying or speaking to the church. However he could speak to himself and God. It is with this formula in mind we can also discern the proper application of silence directed toward the women. Is it absolute silence, as in not a sound? NO! She may pray, prophesy, praise, but the silence is in teaching, period. You cannot teach without exercising authority.
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I AGREE with you that it doesn't mean literal silence, but why are you calling teaching and preaching the same thing? They have different definitions in the Greek and are also distinct from one another in the 5-fold ministry. Paul didn't say a woman can't preach--anymore than he said she can't prophesy, sing, pray, speak in tongues, etc.
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