End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[shazeep]

"A woman is not speak in the church, which has been clearly demonstrated to be in the sense of teaching and exercising authority over the man."

the very definition of Chattering and Lecturing, imo.

[Sister Alvear]

Luke tells us that Saul “dragged off men and women and put them in prison” (Acts 8:3; 9:2; 22:4). In a society that often ignored women and probably did not have prisons for women, it is striking that Luke tells us three times that Saul persecuted women as well as men. Saul apparently viewed Christian women as a serious threat to Jewish orthodoxy, probably because they were spreading the gospel....v.4 says they went everywhere preaching...I say this includes women.....

[RJR]

The Greek word for speak (laleo) in the for 1 Cor 14:35 is translated preach, preached, and preaching in other passages.


1Co 14:35..  ..And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (laleo) in the church.

Preached

Mar 2:2, Act 8:25, Act 13:42, Act 14:25

Preach

Act 16:6

Preaching

Act 11:19

Preaching or to speak in the church, 1 Cor 14:35 is what women are expressely forbidden to do.

[Sister Alvear]

So they can speak in prophecy?

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by RJR

The Greek word for speak (laleo) in the for 1 Cor 14:35 is translated preach, preached, and preaching in other passages.


1Co 14:35..  ..And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (laleo) in the church.

Preached

Mar 2:2, Act 8:25, Act 13:42, Act 14:25

Preach

Act 16:6

Preaching

Act 11:19

Preaching or to speak in the church, 1 Cor 14:35 is what women are expressely forbidden to do.

Strong's Number: 2980
Original Word Word Origin
laleo a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Laleo 4:69,505
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
lal-eh'-o Verb
Definition
to utter a voice or emit a sound
to speak
to use the tongue or the faculty of speech
to utter articulate sounds
to talk
to utter, tell
to use words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts
to speak

NAS Word Usage - Total: 299
made 1, proclaiming 1, said 6, say 5, saying 7, says 2, speak 95, speak forth 1, speaking 54, speaks 25, spoke 44, spoken 38, stating 1, talked 1, talking 5, tell 1, telling 1, things spoken 2, told 7, uttered 1, whispered* 1

[Sister Alvear]

He did not write that..he quoted it from a letter sent to him...

[Sister Alvear]

And besides that it says nothing about preaching....

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Strong's Number: 2980
Original Word Word Origin
laleo a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Laleo 4:69,505
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
lal-eh'-o Verb
Definition
to utter a voice or emit a sound
to speak
to use the tongue or the faculty of speech
to utter articulate sounds
to talk
to utter, tell
to use words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts
to speak

NAS Word Usage - Total: 299
made 1, proclaiming 1, said 6, say 5, saying 7, says 2, speak 95, speak forth 1, speaking 54, speaks 25, spoke 44, spoken 38, stating 1, talked 1, talking 5, tell 1, telling 1, things spoken 2, told 7, uttered 1, whispered* 1

We know that one can keep silence and still speak. This is the same chapter and the same word for silence used, 1 Cor 14:28, 35. The prohibition is to what kind of speaking, in verse 28 it is in an unknown tongue, and in verse 35 it is preaching.

1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In 1 Timothy 2:12 it is teaching, exercising authority over the man.

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Sister Alvear, IF what you believe in 1 Tim 2 is correct you cannot even teach in the home, but learn in silence with all subjection.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Strong's Number: 2980
Original Word Word Origin
laleo a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Laleo 4:69,505
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
lal-eh'-o Verb
Definition
to utter a voice or emit a sound
to speak
to use the tongue or the faculty of speech
to utter articulate sounds
to talk
to utter, tell
to use words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts
to speak

NAS Word Usage - Total: 299
made 1, proclaiming 1, said 6, say 5, saying 7, says 2, speak 95, speak forth 1, speaking 54, speaks 25, spoke 44, spoken 38, stating 1, talked 1, talking 5, tell 1, telling 1, things spoken 2, told 7, uttered 1, whispered* 1

Look these verses up, it is the same word used for speak (laleo) in 1 Cor 14:35. It is not going away the same Greek word for speak is used for preached, preach, preaching.

1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (laleo) in the church.

Preached

Mark 2:2, Act 8:25, Act 13:42, Act 14:25

Preach

Act 16:6

Preaching

Act 11:19

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

He did not write that..he quoted it from a letter sent to him...

I thank my God , I speak... (he was not quoting a letter, a letter does not speak in unknown tongues)

1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

I (Paul not a letter) speak five words...

1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

I write unto you, (not a letter you wrote)

1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

It was Paul who gave the prohibition for a woman to speak/preach in the church, not a letter someone else wrote.
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1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.