Hair and Nature?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And I thought my signed Zig Ziglar book, See You At the Top, was special.

Along with the Picture I am also the proud owner of the book.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Along with the Picture I am also the proud owner of the book.

I have several parallel Bibles... KJV/NKJV, KJV/NIV, KJV/Amplified, etc. I like to only view two translations at a time, unless I am specially looking up a particular passage. Comparing two versions at a time sure allows you to know which version you don't really like.

The Amplified gives me a headache with all of the words in parenthesis. It reminds me of reading a book while someone keeps talking to you and you want them to be quiet.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I'm not sure of the implication or if there is even a tie in, but I did find it interesting that the word Paul used in I Cor 11:14 for NATURE comes from the same root word that the Apostle uses in Rom. 1:27 for NATURAL.

1Co 11:14 Doth(G2228) not even G3761 nature G5449 itself G846 teach G1321 you,G5209 that,G3754 if G1437 a man G435 have long hair,(G2863) it is G2076 a shame G819 unto him? G846

Rom 1:27 And G5037 likewise G3668 also G2532 the G3588 men,G730 leaving G863 the G3588 natural G5446 use G5540 of the G3588 woman,G2338 burned G1572 in G1722 their G848 lust G3715 one toward another;G240 G1519 men G730 with G1722 men G730 working G2716 that which is unseemly,G808 and G2532 receiving G618 in G1722 themselves G1438 that recompence G489 of their G848 error G4106 which G3739 was meet.G1163

G5446φυσικός
phusikos
foo-see-kos'

From G5449; “physical”, that is, (by implication) instinctive: - natural.
Compare G5591.

That's interesting because I think that you "naturally" view women as having longer hair than a man. And a short hair cut might be attractive, but it's only attractive if the woman has a pretty face, same as long hair. So, it's not the haircut men are looking at, really.

[Carl]

We had one these pictures hanging on the wall for years. Even when my hair was a little long and my parents kept encouraging me to get a haircut. I never mentioned the contradiction.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Carl

We had one these pictures hanging on the wall for years. Even when my hair was a little long and my parents kept encouraging me to get a haircut. I never mentioned the contradiction.

To be like Jesus, To be like Jesus, On earth I long to be like Him.

[Carl]

Hah! Good old song. At least my hair never got that long, just on the collar and ears.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No, it isn't.

So what about the women whose hair isn't naturally long?

Care to respond to the rest of the points brought up in my post?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Very good article.

However, I am immediately reminded of black women and african women who just don't have hair that "covers their neck and ears".

And isn't all of this contigent on the condition that "it is a shame" for a woman to have short hair?

What if it is not a shame for a woman to have short hair? Isn't it interesting to anyone else that at the first church council, the Jewish Apostles didn't include this hair discussion in their list of things the new Gentile converts must do? Is there a cultural "thing" (theirs or ours) to this discussion that we are not taking into consideration?

For example, women must be silent in church and cannot practice rulership over men-- even the most conservative churches do not adhere to "the letter" of these directives.



Some short-ish hairstyles on some women is actually very attractive and still very feminine.

Just like most (if not all) pants designed for women are distinctively feminine in style, cut, etc.

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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Simply that you are reaching outside of the Greek language to interpret κομάω if you find that "In a number of languages it may be necessary to translate κομάω as ‘to let one’s hair grow long’ or ‘not to cut one’s hair.’"

Newman, was saying she didn't understand why that would be necessary.

No, Im not. I was quoting a Greek Lexicon...That was the words of Greek Authorities.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

So what about the women whose hair isn't naturally long?

Care to respond to the rest of the points brought up in my post?

You were asking "isn't all this contingent on....shame?" etc etc...and the answer is no. Black women's hair is irrelevant.

Paul does not make anything contingent on if something is a shame to someone or if it isn't.

If you look at the definitions I posted for Have Long Hair, "Length" was not one of the definitions. The Definition was "To let it grow" or to have hair that you have allowed to grow..

Second, a black woman has long hair if she does not cut it often. Don't confuse long/short with curly