End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Indeed, the Pharisaical mindset persists in our midst today. The elevation of the ministry is what the Pharisees stood for... yet Christ came to overturn that. We are all equal in Christ... all members of the same body. We have different functions, talents, and gifts, but that makes us no less, or greater in Christ. In fact, Jesus called us to serve one another. Not to BE SERVED, but to serve one another. We are all equal in Christ.

Yet, the Pharisees are still having their way today in the way that ministers somehow consider themselves "elite" and above the rest of the body of Christ. That was the way of the Pharisees, and it is still with us today, even though Jesus brought in a new way for the church to function... but many still try to hold onto that principle and mindset, much to their own detriment.

Which is why we are continuing to have a debate such as this one lags on for thousands of posts.... because some people persist in believing that they are above the rest of the body of Christ. CHRIST is our head, and the rest of us are the members. We are all to submit to the HEAD, which is Christ, yet, all working together to perform the various functions of the body.

But, there are those who will always persist in the mentality that the thumb is greater than the rest of the hand, that the mouth is better than the rest of the five senses, and so on.

Oh yes, the Pharisaical mindset is alive and well. Thank God that a few of us have seen and realized that it was indeed the Pharisees who crucified Christ, trying to destroy what Christ came to do, but Jesus prevailed, in spite of their mentality steeped in tradition.

Things are no different today. Different packaging, different rules, different interpretations, but the same Pharisaical principle applying throughout the ages.

Since it seems you have aimed this rant at me I kindly ask you to document your assertion.

Please document where I consider myself "elite".
Please document where I have a "Pharisaical mindset".
Please document where I believe I "am above" everyone else.


Then there are the false statements about Christ. Specifically the intimation that we do not need pastors. This is intimated IMO from the statement "CHRIST is our head, and the rest of us are the members. We are all to submit to the HEAD, which is Christ, yet, all working together to perform the various functions of the body." It seems to me you have missed the whole reason God gave everyone the gift of a pastor.

(Eph 4:8 KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
(Eph 4:9 KJV) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
(Eph 4:10 KJV) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
(Eph 4:11 KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
(Eph 4:12 KJV) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
(Eph 4:13 KJV) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
(Eph 4:14 KJV) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
(Eph 4:15 KJV) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

By denying the role of the Pastor, God's gift to the church, you deny the perfection that comes through it and denigrates the gift God gave. It is arrogance to assume a pastor is not needed. It is arrogance to reject God's gift as though you know more than God.


All of this because of 1 woman who should know better.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

If you want respect because you are a minister, go to a minister's forum.

If you want respect because you are a commoner like the rest of us, continue to post away.

Like I said before, I didn't expect you to understand ministerial ethics. It is apparent you could care less about them. This is the legacy of a particular woman who should know better.

I challenge S. Alvear to explain ministerial ethics to your followers here. That is if you can.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

There are many scriptural mandates. Here is one:

(1Ti 5:17 KJV) Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Here is another:
(Heb 13:17 KJV) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.


Not that I expect you to understand or even accept these passages. Ministerial ethics are even outlined by Paul for example when he said:
(1Ti 3:1 KJV) This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
(1Ti 3:2 KJV) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
(1Ti 3:3 KJV) Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
(1Ti 3:4 KJV) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(1Ti 3:5 KJV) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
(1Ti 3:6 KJV) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
(1Ti 3:7 KJV) Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.


(Tit 1:7 KJV) For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
(Tit 1:8 KJV) But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
(Tit 1:9 KJV) Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
(Tit 1:10 KJV) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
(Tit 1:11 KJV) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
(Tit 1:12 KJV) One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
(Tit 1:13 KJV) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
(Tit 1:14 KJV) Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
(Tit 1:15 KJV) Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
(Tit 1:16 KJV) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.






The old statement about the "rapture" is appropriate. The bible does not use that word although it does use a "catching away". Likewise the phrase "ministerial ethics" may not be a literal phrase but the principle is there. But why should I expect anyone here to understand when they clearly cannot understand plain English with their insistent false allegations of "women haters" et al. All in spite of the multitudes of contrary evidences which has all been posted ad infinitum...

None of the above has anything to do with an internet forum. NONE of it. It doesn't matter here.

For one thing, I don't know you. You don't know me. You could be my neighbor pulling my leg for all I know. I could be the GS of the UPCI for all you know.

That being the case, YOU saying you are a minister personally means nothing to me. I mean no disrespect by that, just that you are anonymous like I am and, well you know how it is...if you heard it on the internet, it must be true, right?

None of what I said has anything to do with Sis. Alvear. I don't respect her anymore for being a missionary than I respect Emma for being Amish. To me, both of them are just people, like myself, who post here for whatever selfish reasons we have for doing so. Their status in real life personally means nothing to me. That's not to say I don't believe what they say or feel I have to agree with everything they say, but again, the respect I have for anyone here is based on the fact they are fellow humans. Nothing more.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Like I said before, I didn't expect you to understand ministerial ethics. It is apparent you could care less about them. This is the legacy of a particular woman who should know better.

I challenge S. Alvear to explain ministerial ethics to your followers here. That is if you can.

Again, what I have stated has nothing to do with her or anything she has said.

[KeptByTheWord]

Pliny, I was not necessarily aiming at you, but if you want to take to heart what I wrote, feel free to.

Jesus showed the proper perspective for ministry right here. Something you are ignoring.

Luke 22:24-28
24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by RJR

I would still like to see your verses that state the Bible is not indelible and were facts in their time and recorded as history for reflection and considering them to be the final word is spiritual suicide. Isn't that kinda like saying the Bible is no longer relevant, except in much harsher language. Yes, that is what I think the pro women preacher crowd does, string some emotional stories together and say now does the Bible condemn me for doing this? Their emotional stories doesn't change the good Book!

The Scripture Itself, taken as a whole, is a blueprint for change; you cannot read most of the OT and expect it to apply directly to life today; we are in a different dispensation at the very least--most of us, anyway --and in a time of Grace now. Does this mean God changed? Of course not. It is us who must needs change. I think you know perfectly well what spirit I'm coming from, but would prefer to cut your nose off rather than agree with anyone with a different pov. Now, that is your perfect right, and I can understand and even respect attempts to defend Scripture, which i have no intention of trying to invalidate.

However, you make the perfect the enemy of the good, perhaps, when you imagine that you can counsel another, not living in your shoes, better than the Holy Spirit--and then see fit to condemn them out of hand. I notice you have thus far ignored many pertinent examples, that might help 'prove' or disprove your case, and I don't expect that when I run across some nifty little legal bind for you that i will get any more attention.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by RJR

How refreshing to hear someone say the bolded above. It was only a few posts ago we were left to read such as will follow in the quote below. I thought this was Apostolic friends forum, how Apostolic is this next quote?

So then, would you say that Israel is blessed today? I suggest you maybe put me on 'ignore,' otherwise this line is going to shred you, ok?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

Yes, willful "ignorance" certainly abounds in many orgs....Such as the one's that advocate "women-preachers" in the church !



So glad to not fellowship such blatant falsehood - it sure makes for a cleaner & more biblical fellowship !

So then, your church membership is increasing? Then at least see that you will be called to witness why not; and you do not have an answer. Peace to you, and good day.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by RJR

Powerful, you may be seated.

THIS is your best shot? ok, ty

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Ministerial ethics doesn't matter here. It shouldn't. I have respect for people here because they are fellow humans. Their status in real life matters not to me. And I'm sure my status in real life matters not to them either, and it shouldn't.

amen. these men are the pharisees and sadducees of our day, apparently. A great place to go to worship...Ishtar