End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

No scripture says a woman shall not preach....

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

No scripture says a woman shall not preach....

Try 1 Cor 14:34 and 1 Tim 2:12.

[Sister Alvear]

The verses in Corinthians aren't even about women preaching. Paul goes on to say in Galations that there is no male or female in Christ--that we are all one. Cultural elements must be brought into the picture when considering these scriptures. The verse in Tim. Is talking about the home....

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by RJR

Pardon me, I didn't know you were Sasha.

Yes, 1 Cor 14:34-35 and 1 Tim. 2:12 says exactly what you say it does not say, it expressly forbids a woman to preach.

Not according to the NET Bible, it doesn't.

From the NET notes on 1 Tim. 2:12... https://net.bible.org/#!bible/1+Timothy+2

1 Tim. 2:12 But I do not allow. Although the Greek conjunction δέ (de) can have a simple connective force (“and”), it is best to take it as contrastive here: Verse 11 gives a positive statement (that is to say, that a woman should learn). This was a radical and liberating departure from the Jewish view that women were not to learn the law

exercise authority 20 over a man: According to BDAG 150 s.v. αὐθεντέω this Greek verb means “to assume a stance of independent authority, give orders to, dictate to” (cf. JB “tell a man what to do”).

Grk “but to be in quietness.” The phrase ἐν ἡσυχίᾳ (en Jhsucia) is used in Greek literature either of absolute silence or of a quiet demeanor.

You guys are just picking and choosing a translation that says what you want it to say. To your own detriment, the NET Bible had RDP's hero, Daniel Wallace, working with the translation. Why doesn't it say what RDP wants it to say?

It says, Women can learn, not "women can't preach".... !

Hmm....

the word "teach" according to the Net:
διδασκο(1321)
Pronunciation: did-as'-ko
Origin: a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn)
Reference: TDNT - 2:135,161
Part of Speech: v
In Greek: διδασκε 2, διδασκει 3, διδασκειν 13, διδασκεις 7, διδασκη 1, διδασκοντες 9, διδασκοντι 1, διδασκοντος 1, διδασκω 1, διδασκων 23, διδαξαι 3, διδαξει 2, διδαξη 2, διδαξον 1, διδαξωσιν 1, εδιδαχθην 1, εδιδαχθησαν 1, εδιδαχθητε 3, εδιδασκεν 14, εδιδασκον 2, εδιδαξα 1, εδιδαξαν 1, εδιδαξας 1, εδιδαξεν 3
In NET: teaching 20, taught 13, teach 12, to teach 10, began to teach 6, was teaching 4, teaches 3, will teach 2, while teaching 2, he taught 2, while was teaching 2, by teaching 2, he began to teach 1, do you teach 1, he was teaching 1, I teach 1, Teach 1, While was teaching 1, Does teach 1, began teaching 1, you teach 1, were taught 1, were teaching 1, who teaches 1, will be need to teach 1, they were instructed 1, you taught 1, it has taught 1, learn 1, you were taught 1, instructed 1
Count: 97
Definition: 1) to teach 1a) to hold discourse with others in order to instruct them, deliver didactic discourses 1b) to be a teacher 1c) to discharge the office of a teacher, conduct one's self as a teacher 2) to teach one 2a) to impart instruction 2b) instill doctrine into one 2c) the thing taught or enjoined 2d) to explain or expound a thing 2f) to teach one something
a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application):-teach.


NOPE, NOT THERE.... This scripture does NOT say that a woman cannot preach!

[Sister Alvear]

Next we will examine 1 Timothy 2:12, in which Paul states "I do not suffer (permit) a woman to teach, or usurp authority over a man." In interpreting this verse, it is important to remember that the Greek words for "man" and "husband," as well as the words for "woman" and "wife," are the same. In the very next verse, Paul refers back to Adam being formed first, then Eve. From all indications, this passage is, by context, referring to the marriage relationship, not the church. Paul is not saying that men cannot learn from women. Rather, he is simply stating that women are not to be manipulative or domineering over their husbands. There is a big difference.

[Sister Alvear]

New International Version
What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.

New Living Translation
Well, my brothers and sisters, let's summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you.

English Standard Version
What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.

New American Standard Bible
What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

King James Bible
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
What then is the conclusion, brothers? Whenever you come together, each one has a psalm, a teaching, a revelation, another language, or an interpretation. All things must be done for edification.

International Standard Version
What, then, does this mean, brothers? When you gather, everyone has a psalm, teaching, revelation, foreign language, or interpretation. Everything must be done for upbuilding.

NET Bible
What should you do then, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each one has a song, has a lesson, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all these things be done for the strengthening of the church.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I say therefore, my brethren, that whenever you gather, whoever among you has a Psalm, let him speak, or whoever has a teaching, or whoever has a revelation, or whoever has a language, or whoever has a translation, let all things be done for edification.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
So what does this mean, brothers and sisters? When you gather, each person has a psalm, doctrine, revelation, another language, or an interpretation. Everything must be done to help each other grow.

Jubilee Bible 2000
How is it then, brothers? when ye come together, each one of you has a psalm, has doctrine, has tongues, has revelation, has interpretation. Let all things be done unto edification.

King James 2000 Bible
How is it then, brethren? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

American King James Version
How is it then, brothers? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to edifying.

American Standard Version
What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each one hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Douay-Rheims Bible
How is it then, brethren ? When you come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation: let all things be done to edification.

Darby Bible Translation
What is it then, brethren? whenever ye come together, each [of you] has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to edification.

English Revised Version
What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each one hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Webster's Bible Translation
How is it then, brethren? when ye are assembled, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a language, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done to edification.

Weymouth New Testament
What then, brethren? Whenever you assemble, there is not one of you who is not ready either with a song of praise, a sermon, a revelation, a 'tongue,' or an interpretation. Let everything be done with a view to the building up of faith and character.

World English Bible
What is it then, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has another language, has an interpretation. Let all things be done to build each other up.

Young's Literal Translation
What then is it, brethren? whenever ye may come together, each of you hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation? let all things be for building up




Strange it did not say everyone has a hymn but only men can teach....the Bible says everyone....Sister Mary Williams was probably one of the best teachers in Pentecost in her day...we studied from her books at school....

[KeptByTheWord]

1 Cor. 14:34 "speak" according to the NET Bible:

λαλεο(2980)
Pronunciation: lal-eh'-o
Origin: a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb
Reference: TDNT - 4:69,505
Part of Speech: v
In Greek: ελαλει 20, ελαλησα 8, ελαλησαμεν 1, ελαλησαν 11, ελαλησατε 1, ελαλησεν 30, ελαληθη 2, ελαλουμεν 1, ελαλουν 6, λαλει 20, λαλειν 21, λαλεισθαι 1, λαλειτε 4, λαλειτω 1, λαλειτωσαν 1, λαλεις 4, λαλει 1, λαλη 1, λαλησαι 21, λαλησαντες 2, λαλησας 2, λαλησει 4, λαληση 2, λαλησητε 3, λαλησομεν 1, λαλησουσιν 2, λαλησω 5, λαληθεισης 1, λαληθεις 1, λαληθεντος 1, λαληθεντων 1, λαληθηναι 2, λαληθησεται 4, λαληθησομενων 1, λαλουμεν 10, λαλουμενη 1, λαλουμενοις 3, λαλουμενον 2, λαλουν 2, λαλουντα 1, λαλουντας 1, λαλουντες 7, λαλουντι 2, λαλουντος 18, λαλουντων 5, λαλουσαι 1, λαλουσαν 1, λαλουσης 1, λαλουσιν 2, λαλω 19, λαλων 16, λαλωσιν 1, λελαληκα 11, λελαληκεν 2, λελαλημενοις 1, λελαληται 1, ελαλησεν 1
In NET: to speak 27, spoke 26, speaking 24, speaks 10, speak 9, said 9, he spoke 7, I have told 6, I speak 6, we speak 5, had spoken 5, began to speak 5, have spoken 5, was speaking 4, While was speaking 4, will be told 4, spoken 4, to say 3, was saying 3, I will speak 3, I have said 3, I have spoken 3, say 3, he speaks 2, he was speaking 2, communicate 2, speaker 2, does speak 2, I spoke 2, they speak 2, I am speaking 2, has spoken 2, while was speaking 2, has told 2, I am saying 2, we are speaking 2, was said 2, is speaking 2, had been told 2, will speak 2, he is speaking 2, are you speaking 1, had said 1, as was speaking 1, do they speak 1, from speaking 1, had finished saying 1, from uttering 1, declared 1, communicated 1, Speak 1, I do say 1, I do speak 1, I said 1, I say 1, I am talking 1, He will speak 1, Am I saying 1, He did speak 1, He told 1, He was speaking 1, I should speak 1, I talked 1, While was still speaking 1, While were saying 1, While were speaking 1, am telling 1, While was saying 1, When said 1, Let him speak 1, had told 1, We are speaking 1, are proclaiming 1, he promised 1, that speaks 1, they began to speak 1, they said 1, they spoke 1, teaching 1, talking 1, would have spoken 1, speeches 1, would be spoken 1, spoke out 1, they will speak 1, to declare 1, we said 1, we will speak 1, when had spoken 1, who speaks 1, we may proclaim 1, we do speak 1, told 1, was spoken 1, we declare 1, you are speaking 1, you have whispered 1, you speak 1, he tells 1, he told 1, he was saying 1, he says 1, he preached 1, he could speak 1, he did speak 1, he is talking 1, he made 1, he will speak 1, insisted 1, you should say 1, saying 1, should speak 1, sounded 1, proclaim 1, lies 1, is being said 1, it could speak 1, it says 1, have been told 1
Count: 296
Definition: 1) to utter a voice or emit a sound 2) to speak 2a) to use the tongue or the faculty of speech 2b) to utter articulate sounds 3) to talk 4) to utter, tell 5) to use words in order to declare one's mind and disclose one's thoughts 5a) to speak
a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, i.e. utter words:-preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare 3004. see GREEK for 3004

Only 1 time is this word translated as "preach". Thus your second mantra scripture against a woman preaching is FALSE.

[Sister Alvear]

If a woman could not teach then we would be in a fix for many Bible translators have been women and many study books were written by women...many songs we rewritten by women...

[Sister Alvear]

In no way am I promoting women that try to act like men however many Godly women have been used to speak God's words. Sister Agnes Holmes is a living example for our day along with Sister Bobby Wendell...

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The verses in Corinthians aren't even about women preaching. Paul goes on to say in Galations that there is no male or female in Christ--that we are all one. Cultural elements must be brought into the picture when considering these scriptures. The verse in Tim. Is talking about the home....

No need for 1 Cor 11 instructions on hair, because Sis Avear says no male or female in Christ. Sis Alvear, we will not be surprised to see you wearing that which pertains to a man, since you say no male or female in Christ. Put your endorsement on same sex marriages, since in Christ there is no males or females. No head of the woman, since there is no males or females in Christ.

Obviously, the reference is the message is the same to females-males, young-old, jews-gentiles, free-slave.

Since 1 Tim is talking about the home. A woman must learn in silence in the home. She cannot ask her husband in the home, unless in full agreement with him, because she is to learn in silence with ALL SUBJECTION. In spite of the fact 1 Cor 14 tells her to ask her husband at home. Since according to Sis Alvear, 1 Tim 2 is about the home, dealing with husband and wife, I guess only single women can preach because a married women cannot exercise authority over the man.