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Old 03-07-2014, 03:13 PM
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As I pointed out earlier, folks want to make it complicated. Why don't folks just stick with the simple answer?
Thats what PO did. She is sticking with the simple answer.


Regardless of all the pontificators, and the exegeters and the theological wizbangers, at the end of the day, the question was first asked..."whatwegottadooooo????" and it was then answered by Peter in Acts 2:38

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Thats what PO did. She is sticking with the simple answer.


Regardless of all the pontificators, and the exegeters and the theological wizbangers, at the end of the day, the question was first asked..."whatwegottadooooo????" and it was then answered by Peter in Acts 2:38

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John 3:16?
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Wonderful passage. I certainly believe Peter believed that to be the Gospel Truth.

and when Peter PREACHED THAT on the Day of Pentecost:

"Let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Master"Acts 2:36

The crowd was convicted and responded with "what shall we do"

Peter answered them.

First time it was asked.
First time it was answered.


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Thats what PO did. She is sticking with the simple answer.


Regardless of all the pontificators, and the exegeters and the theological wizbangers, at the end of the day, the question was first asked..."whatwegottadooooo????" and it was then answered by Peter in Acts 2:38

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Peter was specific on how to be saved prior to Acts 2:38.

*[[Act 2:21]] KJV* And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Peter was specific on how to be saved prior to Acts 2:38.

*[[Act 2:21]] KJV* And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
aint that awesome?!

Peter preached it straight and the result was a question:
What shall we do?
And Peter laid it out for them…

First asked, first answered. the rest is just knuckleheads 2000 years later trying to be smarter than Peter.
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aint that awesome?!

Peter preached it straight and the result was a question:
What shall we do?
And Peter laid it out for them…

First asked, first answered. the rest is just knuckleheads 2000 years later trying to be smarter than Peter.
Peter was very specific on how to be saved in Acts 2:21. What part of saved do you not understand?

*[[Act 2:21]] KJV* And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Peter was very specific on how to be saved in Acts 2:21. What part of saved do you not understand?

*[[Act 2:21]] KJV* And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture

Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Th 2:16..  ..Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13..But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Ok you decide for us which single factor saves? Through the Son, Jesus the door, grace, believing through grace, grace through faith, mercy, preaching, the word, the name, keeping in memory what was preached, receiving the love of the truth, enduring to the end, believeth and is baptized, water, renewing of the Holy Ghost, being righteous? This is not even a complete list.
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Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture

Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Th 2:16..  ..Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13..But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Ok you decide for us which single factor saves? Through the Son, Jesus the door, grace, believing through grace, grace through faith, mercy, preaching, the word, the name, keeping in memory what was preached, receiving the love of the truth, enduring to the end, believeth and is baptized, water, renewing of the Holy Ghost, being righteous? This is not even a complete list.
Thanks for the scriptures, and as you pointed out it's not an exhaustive list.

I'd never decide for anyone, other than myself, which factor saves. What I am seeing here, and it's generally true for whatever denomination one follows, are folks trying to do exactly that though. Attempting to decide for us which scripture concerning salvation is complete within itself. Does John 3:16 within itself really offer eternal life? Does Romans 10:9-10 within itself really promise one's salvation? Or is John 3:16 or Romans 10:9-10 incomplete, lacking the essential details, needing more than what is promised in the passages?

How about Acts 2:38? Is one promised salvation in the passage? Is it complete within itself? Or, as above, is Acts 2:38 really not offering salvation if one follows the scripture?

The response many times to such questions is 'one must take the whole counsel of God'. The question then becomes what combination of scriptures are offered which guarantees, promises, offers life and not death, salvation and not condemnation? If Acts 2:38 doesn't offer that, or John 3:16 doesn't offer that, or Romans 10:9-10 doesn't offer that, or Acts 2:21 doesn't offer that, or Acts 16:31 doesn't offer that, what can we find in scripture which does offer these things concerning eternal life and salvation?

The direct question of "what must I do to be saved" received an incomplete answer, according to some. Paul was offering yet another partial plan when he taught to confess with your mouth, believe in your heart. John had yet another teaching that one really cannot have eternal life though believing in Jesus Christ. Still others, who dismiss those teachings, will also dismiss Peter's specific words "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved".

What is the true scripture which promises eternal life and salvation? Or what combination of scriptures. I ask you a similar question that you asked me. Which single factor or combination of factors offers a guarantee, a promise of eternal life and salvation?
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What is the true scripture which promises eternal life and salvation? Or what combination of scriptures. I ask you a similar question that you asked me. Which single factor or combination of factors offers a guarantee, a promise of eternal life and salvation?
Who is the source of all truth, life, and resurrection from the dead? Jesus. His word should be all that's needed to answer every question, unfortunately in these last days, even His word is not enough and many explain away His clear teachings.

Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:5 that one COULD NOT enter into the kingdom of God UNLESS that one is born of water (Strong's Number:5204 Hudor = the element water) And the Spirit (Strong's Number:4151 Pneuma = Holy Spirit)

"Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

Now that's enough for me, and considering what we read in the book of Acts, which by the way is the ONLY New Testament book that records the actual events of the conversions of first century believers of Jesus Christ.

Every book after Acts is written to those who were already converted to Christ, they were letters or epistles to the saints.
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Thanks for the scriptures, and as you pointed out it's not an exhaustive list.

I'd never decide for anyone, other than myself, which factor saves. What I am seeing here, and it's generally true for whatever denomination one follows, are folks trying to do exactly that though. Attempting to decide for us which scripture concerning salvation is complete within itself. Does John 3:16 within itself really offer eternal life? Does Romans 10:9-10 within itself really promise one's salvation? Or is John 3:16 or Romans 10:9-10 incomplete, lacking the essential details, needing more than what is promised in the passages?

How about Acts 2:38? Is one promised salvation in the passage? Is it complete within itself? Or, as above, is Acts 2:38 really not offering salvation if one follows the scripture?

The response many times to such questions is 'one must take the whole counsel of God'. The question then becomes what combination of scriptures are offered which guarantees, promises, offers life and not death, salvation and not condemnation? If Acts 2:38 doesn't offer that, or John 3:16 doesn't offer that, or Romans 10:9-10 doesn't offer that, or Acts 2:21 doesn't offer that, or Acts 16:31 doesn't offer that, what can we find in scripture which does offer these things concerning eternal life and salvation?

The direct question of "what must I do to be saved" received an incomplete answer, according to some. Paul was offering yet another partial plan when he taught to confess with your mouth, believe in your heart. John had yet another teaching that one really cannot have eternal life though believing in Jesus Christ. Still others, who dismiss those teachings, will also dismiss Peter's specific words "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved".

What is the true scripture which promises eternal life and salvation? Or what combination of scriptures. I ask you a similar question that you asked me. Which single factor or combination of factors offers a guarantee, a promise of eternal life and salvation?
As to Acts 16, it is obvious there is much more to what was actually said than is listed. This is true for the Eunuch in Acts 8, and is also referred to in Acts 2, "with many other words." However it is abundantly evident in Acts 16 (jailor) and Acts 8 (eunuch) by what they actually did. The jailor was baptized the same hour (midnight) of course this is concluded in Acts 16 by the reference that Paul spake unto him the word of God verse 32, and in the case of the eunuch in Acts 8, without any reference ti the actual term baptism in the text, he responds when he sees water vs. 36, what doth hinder me from being baptized. It is obvious when Phillip had preached Christ unto him, baptism was part of it. The entire message in all passages above is not included in the text, but through the response the evidence is CLEAR!
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