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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Where are the Canadians going to drive to when America makes it illegal to have private practice?

With rising costs, I doubt this pdf report shows anything different.

Leaving Canada for Medical Care 2011

In 2011, a significant number of Canadians—an estimated
(46,159) —received treatment outside of the country.2 Increases
between 2010 and 2011 in the estimated number of patients
going outside Canada for treatment were seen in British
Columbia (5,565 to 9,180), Saskatchewan (943 to 1,221),
Manitoba (933 to 1,436), New Brunswick (282 to 526),
Nova Scotia (851 to 1,271), Prince Edward Island (44 to 54),
and Newfoundland and Labrador (130 to 433). Conversely,
Ontario (23,192 to 18,172) saw a decrease in the estimated
number of patients who received treatment outside Canada.3

Conclusion
In 2011, an estimated 46,159 Canadians received non-emergency
medical treatment outside Canada. In some cases, these
patients needed to leave Canada due to a lack of available resources
or a lack of appropriate procedure/technology. In others,
their departure will have been driven by a desire to return
more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or
perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability.
Clearly, the number of Canadians who ultimately receive their
medical care in other countries is not insignificant.

2 The products of the percentage of patients receiving non-emergency
treatment outside of Canada and the number of patients treated in
Canada as estimated in Waiting Your Turn are shown in table 1.
3 Estimates from 2010 are from Esmail (2011).

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploa...011-ff0712.pdf

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

With rising costs, I doubt this pdf report shows anything different.

Leaving Canada for Medical Care 2011

In 2011, a significant number of Canadians—an estimated
(46,159) —received treatment outside of the country.2 Increases
between 2010 and 2011 in the estimated number of patients
going outside Canada for treatment were seen in British
Columbia (5,565 to 9,180), Saskatchewan (943 to 1,221),
Manitoba (933 to 1,436), New Brunswick (282 to 526),
Nova Scotia (851 to 1,271), Prince Edward Island (44 to 54),
and Newfoundland and Labrador (130 to 433). Conversely,
Ontario (23,192 to 18,172) saw a decrease in the estimated
number of patients who received treatment outside Canada.3

Conclusion
In 2011, an estimated 46,159 Canadians received non-emergency
medical treatment outside Canada. In some cases, these
patients needed to leave Canada due to a lack of available resources
or a lack of appropriate procedure/technology. In others,
their departure will have been driven by a desire to return
more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or
perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability.
Clearly, the number of Canadians who ultimately receive their
medical care in other countries is not insignificant.

2 The products of the percentage of patients receiving non-emergency
treatment outside of Canada and the number of patients treated in
Canada as estimated in Waiting Your Turn are shown in table 1.
3 Estimates from 2010 are from Esmail (2011).

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploa...011-ff0712.pdf

Let's look closely at the spin...

In 2011, an estimated 46,159 Canadians received non-emergency
medical treatment outside Canada.

It should be noted that Canada's system doesn't always cover cosmetic surgeries. Many leave Canada for such procedures. Also, many who have the resources might leave Canada for faster service... the privilege of the well to do.

In some cases, these
patients needed to leave Canada due to a lack of available resources
or a lack of appropriate procedure/technology.

Ah... but what it doesn't tell you is that for many of these individuals the Canadian system also helped pay for the treatment abroad through NWT and programs like AHCIP. Yes, they can seek treatment from specialists abroad if there aren't any available for their condition. That's a far cry from what most Americans get with their insurance.

In others,
their departure will have been driven by a desire to return
more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or
perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability.

True, if a Canadian feels that they want speedier services or believe that they can have faster recovery times... they are free to seek treatment elsewhere. Remember, many qualify for assistance when seeking these services too! As for "superior" quality care... that's relative. Here's an interesting tid bit I was told about. Once, a Canadian official actually traveled from Canada to Florida for a procedure that was actually PERFECTED in a Canadian hospital in his own province! When asked why he sought care in the United States in a facility that was even behind the curve on the research, he explained that HE DIDN'T KNOW! Evidently, he didn't do his homework. lol

Clearly, the number of Canadians who ultimately receive their
medical care in other countries is not insignificant.

Let me guess... you believe that? LOL

Hey, there are many Canadian forums. And most Canadians know English. I have an idea... Why don't you take this information and just TRY to "expose" their system for being the terrible system you think in comparison to the United States... see how many agree with you! LOL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Waiting and waiting is on the same level as not getting healthcare at all, IMO. Where are the Canadians going to drive to when America makes it illegal to have private practice?

*eye roll*

My neighbor suffered from ovarian cancer a couple of years ago. Doing a bit of digging and calling around, she found contributions to help pay her medical bills. There are ways without having to wait and without forgoing surgery because you don't have the money.

I've sought a few resources. They say I make too much to get assistance... and technically, I already have insurance. So far, I haven't qualified. I've discover that not every region or state is the same. I'm glad she received some contributions to help her along. Hopefully it wasn't that expensive. However, many have to declare bankruptcy (medical bills being the leading cause of bankruptcy). Also, there are countless stories of individuals who raised money and went as far as they could go with their treatments... only to watch their resources dwindle as time passed and they eventually had to cease treatment and prepare to die. To deny this is a mockery and a blight on the value of human life.

I agree that both systems are flawed, but I would prefer to be in control of my own healthcare and not my government. I want the leverage and right to seek out my own funding, not be on a waiting list.

Well... if you have health insurance, discontinue it. Depend on the good graces of others, like you're admonishing others to do. Most don't put their own hide where their opinions are.

Also... the private sector has limitations or where you can seek care and what doctors you can or cannot see too. I actually had to find a new family doctor when my plan was changed several years ago. The idea that private insurance gives you choices and that a Single Payer system wouldn't is an illusion. Imagine, arguing that under Single Payer you'd have to only go to the doctors your plan permits you to see. Then two weeks later, your company changes their insurance plans and... you suddenly can't see the doctor you've been seeing for nearly 10 years! LOL Get real.

[Pressing-On]

Thanks for your input, Aquila. I have a one-way bus ticket being sent to you for your road trip to Canada. Have a nice trip.

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thanks for your input, Aquila. I have a one-way bus ticket being sent to you for your road trip to Canada. Have a nice trip.

You can't deport Aquila!

Aquila you are free to stay in the States as long as you like. Now whether you get kicked out of AFF is a whole different story.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thanks for your input, Aquila. I have a one-way bus ticket being sent to you for your road trip to Canada. Have a nice trip.

Believe it or not... I truly enjoy my time in Canada.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

You can't deport Aquila!

Aquila you are free to stay in the States as long as you like. Now whether you get kicked out of AFF is a whole different story.

lol

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

You can't deport Aquila!

Aquila you are free to stay in the States as long as you like. Now whether you get kicked out of AFF is a whole different story.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Believe it or not... I truly enjoy my time in Canada.

I'd like to visit Canada myself. Have some friends who visited and didn't come away with a good impression of the people there. They are pretty picky, so some of that could have been on their part.