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Old 04-26-2014, 11:56 AM
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No, that is not my kind of faith. It is what the bible says to do in handling faith. That is not the definition of faith. The definition is trust in what someone says. The bible takes that and demands we have that and then says it is "or else," not me, nor it is MY kind.

Faith is not "believe me or else."

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Is your Faith better than a Catholics Faith? Or a Baptist? Or a Mormon? How about a Jew? What about Islam? Oh wait, and the Buddhist? What about the 30,000+ other Christian Denominations? Who's right, and who's wrong with their Faith that cannot be proven?
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Old 04-26-2014, 11:16 PM
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Is your Faith better than a Catholics Faith? Or a Baptist? Or a Mormon? How about a Jew? What about Islam? Oh wait, and the Buddhist? What about the 30,000+ other Christian Denominations? Who's right, and who's wrong with their Faith that cannot be proven?
We'll find out, won't we? I never claimed we won't find out who is right. Go ahead and abandon faith. Not me. And I will continue to be fearful with it and always ask God to correct me if required. I have faith He will.
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Old 04-26-2014, 11:20 AM
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When it's all said and done, the evidence that John provided is the answer.

1Jn 5:13 KJV These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


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When it's all said and done, the evidence that John provided is the answer.

1Jn 5:13 KJV These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


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That's evidence?!
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That's evidence?!
You consider "evidence" aside faith to be an oxymoron.

Do you agree with Hebrews 11:1?
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Maybe the question is if people understand what faith even means. lol
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You consider "evidence" aside faith to be an oxymoron.

Do you agree with Hebrews 11:1?
Sure. It's a good, workable definition of faith, especially when you consider its implications:

1. "faith is the substance" And it is the only substance you will ever have for "things hoped for" in many cases. In other words, you will not receive what you hoped for. But, technically, faith isn't really substance. It's only imaginary substance.

2. "the evidence" Ditto. It is the only evidence, in many cases. Things you don't see may never actually be seen. If your faith in something unseen is the only evidence, then you can decide to have that kind of faith in literally anything! Heaven and hell, peace that passeth all understanding, leprechauns. Anything.
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Sure. It's a good, workable definition of faith, especially when you consider its implications:

1. "faith is the substance" And it is the only substance you will ever have for "things hoped for" in many cases. In other words, you will not receive what you hoped for. But, technically, faith isn't really substance. It's only imaginary substance.

2. "the evidence" Ditto. It is the only evidence, in many cases. Things you don't see may never actually be seen. If your faith in something unseen is the only evidence, then you can decide to have that kind of faith in literally anything! Heaven and hell, peace that passeth all understanding, leprechauns. Anything.
Who said you will never receive what you hoped for? Where is your "proof" for that? Have you llived your life, gone to the other side and back, and have a video tape of the results?
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Sure. It's a good, workable definition of faith, especially when you consider its implications:

1. "faith is the substance" And it is the only substance you will ever have for "things hoped for" in many cases. In other words, you will not receive what you hoped for. But, technically, faith isn't really substance. It's only imaginary substance.

2. "the evidence" Ditto. It is the only evidence, in many cases. Things you don't see may never actually be seen. If your faith in something unseen is the only evidence, then you can decide to have that kind of faith in literally anything! Heaven and hell, peace that passeth all understanding, leprechauns. Anything.
I should clarify my view: that is a good workable definition of faith, as believers use the term. But no, faith is not evidence in the real world. Not at all.
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Re: The Question No One Can Answer

And here I should add, as I have many times before, that I think you should keep doing what works for you. If you have peace, a sound mind, etc., good for you. But it would be nice if just once, a believer would give me that same blessing.

I won't hold my breath.
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