Some Here Are Joking or Jesting over Scriptures?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sean

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[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Esther

I find it ironic that you quote scripture after stating you question it's authentic work.

Why can't I quote Scripture? Just like any other Book on Earth, the Bible holds important truths very relevant to life and history.

But, just like any other Book, there are flaws and material information in the Bible that need scrutiny because of strong Religious influence and interpretation. Don't forget Esther, the Bible is a very new part of Faith in the World today.

Mass production of the Bible did not take place until modern Printing Presses were invented, leaving a majority of the Human Race without one.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey my friend, just relax a minute...you said King James was Catholic and the truth is he was a Protestant. People that are uneducated(new converts) are watching you say things that are false and you can damage their faith through a flat out lie. If it is true, it will hold water, but if not, you will be exposed. That goes for us all...Just dont lie to the babies....



Also, you cant hold a candle to me in a debate, unless you want to debate unbelief

No lies here, my friend.

The truth is, even Protestant Churches held closely to Catholic teachings and traditions. Especially the Churches during the Reformation. Are you celebrating Easter tomorrow?

I was a Catholic for 18 years, serving in many capacities, including 6 years of schooling, altar boy, first holy communion, Confirmation, etc. I've been in the Apostolic movement for 36 years, almost 20 as a pastor. I've attended countless churches, and you will find, the Catholic Church has left her mark on every single one, no matter the Denomination. Sean, Religion is Religion, and we (Modern Christianity) are the result of the Catholic Church and the domination of Rome in Europe during the times after the death of Jesus Christ.

"James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy. The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

(Read my other post that proves, the Catholic Church dominated and remained the leading Religious influence of England during this Translation.)

Hold a candle to you in a debate? I'm ready when you are!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

No lies here, my friend.

The truth is, even Protestant Churches held closely to Catholic teachings and traditions. Especially the Churches during the Reformation. Are you celebrating Easter tomorrow?



(Is that why Catholics tried to kill every protestant they met...even burn their Bibles under Catholic kings and popes.
This period you are referring to is called the REFORMATION period. These reformers only had the Bible available for a short time(because of the printing press) and according to the knowledge they could glean, began to "break away" from the Catholic church. It took hundreds of years and it is still being reformed(back to the original teachings) today.) BTW...I dont do "easter"




I was a Catholic for 18 years, serving in many capacities, including 6 years of schooling, altar boy, first holy communion, Confirmation, etc. I've been in the Apostolic movement for 36 years, almost 20 as a pastor. I've attended countless churches, and you will find, the Catholic Church has left her mark on every single one, no matter the Denomination. Sean, Religion is Religion, and we (Modern Christianity) are the result of the Catholic Church and the domination of Rome in Europe during the times after the death of Jesus Christ.



(I am not personally part of the "reformation" movement my friend.....I am practicing EXACTLY what the ORIGINAL church did in DOCTRINE and EXPERIENCE....(if you are Apostolic you know what I am talking about)
I AM IN THE TRUE BRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST(of 2000 years ago), and have COMPLETELY forsaken my Catholic ways also (18 years of catechism ,confessions etc.)




"James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy. The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England."



(BUT King JAMES, that ordered the official printing of the first legal English Bible.... WAS A FULL BLOWN P R O T E S T A N T....protest(Catholicism)ant)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

(Read my other post that proves, the Catholic Church dominated and remained the leading Religious influence of England during this Translation.)

Hold a candle to you in a debate? I'm ready when you are!

(I thought we are already! I smoked you on our first point when you said King James was a Catholic.....)

[MawMaw]

Sis Scarlett that is just scarey to think!!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

No lies here, my friend.

The truth is, even Protestant Churches held closely to Catholic teachings and traditions. Especially the Churches during the Reformation. Are you celebrating Easter tomorrow?

I was a Catholic for 18 years, serving in many capacities, including 6 years of schooling, altar boy, first holy communion, Confirmation, etc. I've been in the Apostolic movement for 36 years, almost 20 as a pastor. I've attended countless churches, and you will find, the Catholic Church has left her mark on every single one, no matter the Denomination. Sean, Religion is Religion, and we (Modern Christianity) are the result of the Catholic Church and the domination of Rome in Europe during the times after the death of Jesus Christ.

"James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy. The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

(Read my other post that proves, the Catholic Church dominated and remained the leading Religious influence of England during this Translation.)

Hold a candle to you in a debate? I'm ready when you are!

From Wikipedia: consider it as you will

In 1534, King Henry VIII separated the English Church from Rome.[6] A theological separation had been foreshadowed by various movements within the English Church such as Lollardy, but the English Reformation gained political support when Henry VIII wanted an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon so he could marry Anne Boleyn. Pope Clement VII, considering that the earlier marriage had been entered under a papal dispensation and how Catherine's nephew, Emperor Charles V, might react to such a move, refused the annulment. Eventually, Henry, although theologically opposed to Protestantism, took the position of Supreme Head of the Church of England to ensure the annulment of his marriage. He was excommunicated by Pope Paul III.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by jfrog

From Wikipedia: consider it as you will

In 1534, King Henry VIII separated the English Church from Rome.[6] A theological separation had been foreshadowed by various movements within the English Church such as Lollardy, but the English Reformation gained political support when Henry VIII wanted an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon so he could marry Anne Boleyn. Pope Clement VII, considering that the earlier marriage had been entered under a papal dispensation and how Catherine's nephew, Emperor Charles V, might react to such a move, refused the annulment. Eventually, Henry, although theologically opposed to Protestantism, took the position of Supreme Head of the Church of England to ensure the annulment of his marriage. He was excommunicated by Pope Paul III.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

Keep reading...(this is taken right after your copied statement)

"Henry maintained a strong preference for traditional Catholic practices and, during his reign, Protestant reformers were unable to make many changes to the practices of the Church of England. Indeed, this part of Henry's reign saw the trial for heresy of Protestants as well as Roman Catholics.

Under his son, King Edward VI, more Protestant-influenced forms of worship were adopted. Under the leadership of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer, a more radical reformation proceeded. A new pattern of worship was set out in the Book of Common Prayer (1549 and 1552). These were based on the older liturgy but influenced by Protestant principles. The confession of the reformed Church of England was set out in the Forty-two Articles (later revised to thirty-nine). The reformation however was cut short by the death of the king. Queen Mary I, who succeeded him, returned England again to the authority of the papacy, thereby ending the first attempt at an independent Church of England. During her co-reign with her husband, King Philip, many leaders and common people were burnt for their refusal to recant of their reformed faith. These are known as the Marian martyrs and the persecution led to her nickname of "Bloody Mary".

Mary also died childless and so it was left to the new regime of her half-sister Elizabeth to resolve the direction of the church. The settlement under Queen Elizabeth I (from 1558), known as the Elizabethan Settlement, developed the via media (middle way) character of the Church of England, a church moderately Reformed in doctrine, as expressed in the Thirty-Nine Articles, but also emphasizing continuity with the Catholic and Apostolic traditions of the Church Fathers. It was also an established church (constitutionally established by the state with the head of state as its supreme governor). The exact nature of the relationship between church and state would be a source of continued friction into the next century.

For the next century, through the reigns of James I, who ordered the creation of what became known as the King James Bible,[13] and Charles I, culminating in the English Civil War and the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell, there were significant swings back and forth between two factions: the Puritans (and other radicals) who sought more far-reaching Protestant reforms, and the more conservative churchmen who aimed to keep closer to traditional beliefs and Catholic practices. The failure of political and ecclesiastical authorities to submit to Puritan demands for more extensive reform was one of the causes of open warfare. By Continental standards, the level of violence over religion was not high, but the casualties included King Charles I and Archbishop of Canterbury William Laud. Under the Commonwealth and the Protectorate of England from 1649 to 1660, the bishops were dethroned and former practices were outlawed, and Presbyterian ecclesiology was introduced in place of the episcopate. The 39 Articles were replaced by the Westminster Confession, the Book of Common Prayer by the Directory of Public Worship. Despite this, about one quarter of English clergy refused to conform to this form of State Presbyterianism."

Even after England become moderately "Reformed", she still adhered to deep Catholic Tradition and Doctrine. Have you ever been to a Presbyterian Church? I have, and unless you understand the difference between the two, you would think they were Catholics.

[Sean]

Well they were Protestants, plain and simple here. It was in the beginning stages of the Reformation. God did not reveal Acts 2:38 to the Protestants yet(in recorded history)...they were just newly broken away from Catholicism. They were persecuted by Catholics like "bloody Mary" because they "protested" the Catholic church. The church of England along with most churches these days "still" carry some various degrees of Catholic traditions(Apostolics and veils for instance)...but they are in no way Catholic.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well they were Protestants, plain and simple here. It was in the beginning stages of the Reformation. God did not reveal Acts 2:38 to the Protestants yet(in recorded history)...they were just newly broken away from Catholicism. They were persecuted by Catholics like "bloody Mary" because they "protested" the Catholic church. The church of England along with most churches these days "still" carry some various degrees of Catholic traditions(Apostolics and veils for instance)...but they are in no way Catholic.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Hey bro. I want to do a private thread. You ok with that?