The Scriptures Are Subjective

[Reader]

But you have not addressed my question about the Bible. That is all the discussion is about- not the means by which a person comes to God or if that way is infallible.

I also have, in no manner whatsoever, equated the Bible as being God.

This was my inquiry:

Where is it that one gets that the Spirit of God draws a person or fills a person? Is it not from the Bible? If one believes only some things in it really happened or are true, then how can you know that the Spirit drawing is true?

I am not putting you down. This is not personal. What I cannot understand is how one can decide this part is true and this is not. What is your standard for doing so- in other words, what do you use to determine this?

How do you determine what in the Bible is worthy to be believed and what is not; what is true and what is just a story?

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by Reader

But you have not addressed my question about the Bible. That is all the discussion is about- not the means by which a person comes to God or if that way is infallible.

I also have, in no manner whatsoever, equated the Bible as being God.

This was my inquiry:



How do you determine what in the Bible is worthy to be believed and what is not; what is true and what is just a story?

Ok, simple answers to your questions:

Where is it that one gets that the Spirit of God draws a person or fills a person? It happened. I experienced it.

Is it not from the Bible? God drew before I ever opened a Bible. God filled me before I had any real knowledge of the Bible.

If one believes only some things in it really happened or are true, then how can you know that the Spirit drawing is true? Again, I can simply say because it happened to me. Someone told me "Jesus is real. If you seek Him, you shall find Him." and I did.

How do you determine what in the Bible is worthy to be believed and what is not; what is true and what is just a story? I don't think of it that way. I do my best to filter everything through Holy Spirit. I read and I ask, "What does this mean? How does it apply to my life? Can I learn something from this? What's the historical and cultural context? Was this book (especially NT) addressing a particular problem / pagan practice / church issue?



Does that help?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

God is the author. Men are the writers

Prove it.

[Reader]

Consider this- A woman hears that if she prays and seeks God, she will know if the book of mormon is true and of God. She has not read the book yet. She is told she will feel a burning in her bosom. She prays and feels the sensation.

This is similar to what you shared, but about a different belief system.

How do you determine what in the Bible is worthy to be believed and what is not; what is true and what is just a story? Your reply- I don't think of it that way. I do my best to filter everything through Holy Spirit. I read and I ask, "What does this mean? How does it apply to my life? Can I learn something from this? What's the historical and cultural context? Was this book (especially NT) addressing a particular problem / pagan practice / church issue?

It was sounding like that is how you looked at it. You seemed to have decided that things in it are not true (at least from how you replied in some posts). I believe you shared about not believing God told the Israelites to kill people, for instance. How do you arrive at determining that the Bible does not give a true account of it?

I am not questioning what happened to you or how you came to a relationship with God.

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by Reader

Consider this- A woman hears that if she prays and seeks God, she will know if the book of mormon is true and of God. She has not read the book yet. She is told she will feel a burning in her bosom. She prays and feels the sensation.

This is similar to what you shared, but about a different belief system.



It was sounding like that is how you looked at it. You seemed to have decided that things in it are not true (at least from how you replied in some posts). I believe you shared about not believing God told the Israelites to kill people, for instance. How do you arrive at determining that the Bible does not give a true account of it?

I am not questioning what happened to you or how you came to a relationship with God.

I doubt you will like this answer, but basically, Cognitive Dissonance. If I believe that here is only one God, Jesus, and I believe that the OT accounts are all entirely true, then to me, it's like saying that Jesus used to be a racist, sexist, genocidal baby-killer. My husband, who was raised a Christian, and became an Atheist puts it like this, "Either God doesn't exist, or he's a ______" (pick an expletive)

Jesus said that there was neither slave nor free, male nor female, Jew nor gentile. The OT God, definitely played favorites. For me, it's much easier to believe that the historical accounts have been tainted by infallible humanity than to accept some of the actions in the Bible attributed to God.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Luke

I disagree according to scripture the those men were moved by God as to what they were to write much like a person writing as another say speaks.

You can disagree all you want, but men wrote the Bible, and men decided which books would be placed within the Bible.

If G-d moved on those of the past, why doesn't G-d move on men today to write new Scriptures?

It's quite comical that we accept books written by a whore monger, an idolater, and a man whose heart had turned completely away from G-d. In today's Christian Religion, Solomon would be considered a total Heathen, not a candidate to write Holy Scriptures, nor a good example to upcoming Generations.

"Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.

For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.

Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

And the Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the Lord God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the Lord commanded."

Hmmmmm....

[Reader]

I doubt you will like this answer, but basically, Cognitive Dissonance. If I believe that here is only one God, Jesus, and I believe that the OT accounts are all entirely true, then to me, it's like saying that Jesus used to be a racist, sexist, genocidal baby-killer.

Those are pretty strong thoughts.

Jesus said that there was neither slave nor free, male nor female, Jew nor gentile. The OT God, definitely played favorites. For me, it's much easier to believe that the historical accounts have been tainted by infallible humanity than to accept some of the actions in the Bible attributed to God.

Paul wrote that about male/female, etc. But there are those that discount whatever Paul taught.

Do you have difficulty believing God called a group of people to reveal himself through in the Old Testament? That he gave them a land that others were living in and that many of those people were killed?

Might I ask how you do decide how God is, since you disbelieve accounts in the Old Testament?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

What did people do in Jesus' time when the NT didn't exist?

They quoted David and the prophets. Most of the Apostle's messages were filled with references to the Psalms or prophets....which is in the Bible!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Prove it.

lol..I should have asked that first since it was YOUR assertion God is NOT the author. You prove it

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You can disagree all you want, but men wrote the Bible, and men decided which books would be placed within the Bible.

That does not make God NOT the author.

Do you know how or why they decided certain books don't belong in the bible?

If G-d moved on those of the past, why doesn't G-d move on men today to write new Scriptures?

What difference does it make? Maybe God doesn't think we need more?

It's quite comical that we accept books written by a whore monger, an idolater, and a man whose heart had turned completely away from G-d.


In today's Christian Religion, Solomon would be considered a total Heathen, not a candidate to write Holy Scriptures, nor a good example to upcoming Generations.

You are assuming he wrote anything after becoming a "whore monger" and all that.