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05-21-2014, 08:21 PM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
God has glorified his Son to the point that he will not accept any worship outside of the worship of his Son.
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05-21-2014, 09:02 PM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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Prax you must believe Jesus is not god just as strongly as you believe he is god. .
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No
I believe He is both God and Man at the same time.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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05-21-2014, 10:52 PM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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No
I believe He is both God and Man at the same time.
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Man is not God. Therefore you believe Jesus is both God and not God at the same time 
Unless you are saying there was one man that was God....
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05-22-2014, 02:01 AM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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Man is not God. Therefore you believe Jesus is both God and not God at the same time
Unless you are saying there was one man that was God.... |
What does "Man is not God" mean in the context of a Divine Person who has both a Divine nature and a Human nature?
BTW Im saying a Person is both God and Man at the same time but not in the same way....didn't we do this once before?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-22-2014, 08:21 AM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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Prax you must believe Jesus is not god just as strongly as you believe he is god. It's what dual nature doctrine teaches. That Jesus both is god and is not god. Until you are just as comfortable saying Jesus is not god and that Jesus shouldn't be worshipped as you are sayin he is god and he should be worshipped then your missing half of what dual nature doctrine teaches.
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Jesus is the Godman He has always been God and always will be God. He became man and will remain man. It is not that He is part God part man. Rather He is 100% God 100% man. To say that He both is and is not God is to attempt to separate His divinity from His humanity but this not possible. It would be like trying to separate the genes received from mother and your father and yet still have a whole person.
It is not that a man became God but that God became a man and that man was God the moment of conception. He has never been anything but God yet still man at the same time.
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05-22-2014, 10:38 AM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
What does "Man is not God" mean in the context of a Divine Person who has both a Divine nature and a Human nature?
BTW Im saying a Person is both God and Man at the same time but not in the same way....didn't we do this once before?
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Doesn't being a man imply that a person is not god? You can say he's a man in a different way than he is god. I'm fine with that. But by saying he's a man that implies he has a god other than himself, that in one way he is not god, even if according to you he is god in another way.
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05-22-2014, 01:26 PM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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It's said Jesus is fully man and fully God. It's also said we should worship God and we should not worship man.
So since Jesus is fully man we shouldn't worship him. But since he is fully God we should. I'm a little confused on if we should worship Jesus or not?
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Pss.45
[10] Hearken, O daughter (of Zion), and consider,
and incline thine ear
Also forget thine own people, and your father's house.
[11] So your king (Isa.43:15 (JESUS)), shall greatly desire your beauty
and worship him (JESUS),
because he is your Lord (the God of Israel).
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Isa.42
[9] Behold, the former things have come to pass,
and I declare new things....
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05-22-2014, 02:53 PM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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Doesn't being a man imply that a person is not god? You can say he's a man in a different way than he is god. I'm fine with that. But by saying he's a man that implies he has a god other than himself, that in one way he is not god, even if according to you he is god in another way.
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Being A man does.
Being a God who adds to Himself Human nature does not. You are making a category fallacy in comparing God to "a man".
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-23-2014, 12:50 AM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Being A man does.
Being a God who adds to Himself Human nature does not. You are making a category fallacy in comparing God to "a man".
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Jesus is not a man?
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05-23-2014, 12:52 AM
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Re: Should we worship Jesus?
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Jesus is not a man?
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Jesus is the Divine Person (Yhwh) with Human qualities added. He is man, not a man. He is both God and Man. Deity and Human
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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