Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by jfrog

...Don't you understand that God can manifest himself as Jesus and the Father at the same time. The one true God is a spirit. We won't see him. We can't. We can only see what he manifests himself as. So yes, God was on the throne, yes God took the scroll out of Gods hand.

I don't get why the oneness believers are having trouble explaining that portion of their doctrine to you. It's kinda sad because their doctrine was built to explain such instances.

It's not that I agree with them, but you simply saying look here's Jesus and here's God beside him and they are interacting... that doesn't disprove their doctrine.

I said a lot more than that. I said that Jesus said he would be there in the Gospels. He said he would be at the right hand of God. He said pray to God and he did pray to God. He said nothing was given to him except by God, he did not say that He gave himself his own power and words.

This vision in Revelation only validated what Jesus already said. Nowhere did Jesus ever say "I am God".

Take the writings literally = No further explaining, or jumping from place to place, or added logic, or interpretative 'help' needed or required. "Build" a "doctrine" requires all of these things yes?

This is why those of whom you speak are having trouble explaining specific, stand-alone passages because specific, stand-alone passages do not support a doctrine "built" of disjointed, unrelated, out-of-context verses taken randomly from here and there. Furthermore to hold up the passages on which the doctrine is "built" have to be carefully taken from carefully selected "versions" of the translations or it all falls apart. <re-shakes head>

Surah 5:13-15 But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others). And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did. O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah.