Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge

[Reader]

I wonder why more people who have materials like these don't release them on kindle? Or Pdf?

Fudge's first book is available in both forms. The Kindle version isn't much difference in price. The PDF is just $9.

You can get Talmadge French's thesis, Early Oneness Pentecostalism, Garfield Thomas Haywood, And The Interracial Pentecostal Assemblies Of The World (1906-1931), in PDF at http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/2869/7/French_11_PhD.pdf

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by CC1

I wonder if anybody has suggested to Joseph Howell that he should publish "People of the Name" as an ebook?

I would like to read it, how to get it. Also, on of them wrote something about, "My Jouney Out...." How to it get?

[Steve Epley]

Reckon Demas wrote one like that?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith

I also found the situation at Jackson to be interesting. I have recently contacted Joseph Howell and he has agreed to send me the booklist and his FSU dissertation “People of the Name”. It should be interesting.

I found very little evidence in Fudge’s book that Lewis, Howell, or Fisher actively taught ideas that would be considered heresy if one defines it by the 1945 merger agreement that allowed divergent views. Jerry Dillon’s views regarding the nature of God were suspect, but when he was questioned about it in a meeting of local Pastor that included conservatives-- they were satisfied with his answers. I certainly don’t think these men would have been considered liberals in the wider world of theological education. If their ideas regarding historical criticism were similar to the text they used by Bernard Ramm, it is hard for me to understand how this could have been problematic to anyone. Dr. Fudge points out that Ramm was influenced by Barth. Much of Barth’s work itself was a reaction against theological liberalism (albeit he would be strong enough on inspiration for most UPC folks). These men understood that the Bible did not fall down from heaven in a leather edition complete with maps. There is often a deconstruction and reconstruction of faith in the process of serious learning; if truth really matters this ought not to bother us. That Bloesch influenced some of the JCM faculty seems to indicate to me that they were looking for models on how to develop a “mediating” system of thought within the school.

Dr. Fudge is certainly passionate about academic freedom. One of the most disturbing violations documented was when the JCM library was “purged” of certain books that were added by Fisher (p. 97-98). Reading a book in no way entails agreement with the content. Academic freedom in the liberal arts and sciences should be non-negotiable. I would hasten to add that academic freedom is a two way street—conservatives must be given the right to speak out about their ideas as well. Absolute academic freedom in theological education is a more difficult question. Biblical Scholars should be able to follow the evidence wherever it leads. But, just about all of the Seminaries that Fudge sites as having problems are financed by evangelical denominations. What, if any say should they have about the teachings of the Seminaries? It is one thing to go after people for trivial doctrinal reasons and hair splitting that are obviously power plays, but what about extreme cases where a professor claims to no longer believe in God or begins to teach the virtues of abortion and wants to keep their job (it has happened)? However, I see nothing that these people in this book believed remotely undermined the life of the Church.

Fudge’s book is well written. The writing and the photographs/documents give a vivid sense of a time and place that is gone, never to return. I don’t agree with him about everything, but he has a gift of combining historical accuracy, deep cultural perception, and theological knowledge of regarding all the issues. Parts of it left me with a troubled sad feeling.

BTW, it seemed obvious to me that one of the conspirators of the secret recordings of the meeting was Fudge himself (it was pretty thinly veiled in my view that he was Manchester). I could be dead wrong about this, but did anyone else that read the book come to this conclusion?

Could you post a copy of Howell's book list?? And the dissertation?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Reckon Demas wrote one like that?

[RunningOnFaith]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

I wonder why more people who have materials like these don't release them on kindle? Or Pdf?

No huge investment to get 2000 or 3000 books printed, charge a few bucks per sale and it is a win win situation for everybody.

When I was reading the part about the secret recording I couldn't get the mission impossible tune out of my head. So I went back a few line and reread them. Fudge wrote that section with a little more oomph and pizzazz to get a spy movie feel. My two cents.

I don't know if Fudge was physically involved but I did get the feeling that he thought that was the ultra cool part of the story, that he was just dying to write.

I am eclectic concerning the format of a book depending on the title. Most books relating to Oneness Pentecostal history-- I prefer a hard copy. Ebooks really come in handy for copying and pasting quotes into papers and in internet discussions like this though.

[RunningOnFaith]

Originally Posted by Reader

Fudge's first book is available in both forms. The Kindle version isn't much difference in price. The PDF is just $9.

You can get Talmadge French's thesis, Early Oneness Pentecostalism, Garfield Thomas Haywood, And The Interracial Pentecostal Assemblies Of The World (1906-1931), in PDF at http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/2869/7/French_11_PhD.pdf

Thank you for this.

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by Reader

Pray tell, what are you planning?

I'm not planning nothing. I am too busy here typing. I don't have time to go door knocking or street preaching.

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Reckon Demas wrote one like that?

Is this a joke that I am too dense to get?

[Reader]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Is this a joke that I am too dense to get?

Demas in the Bible that Paul mentioned. 2 Tim. 4: For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.