Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

This may shock some of y'all I was never a member of the UPC as a minister and never attended a UPC church as a saint.

And you call yourself a preacher.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Did I say that? Now if I was quoting EY like he was a saint and scholar you would have a point! These folks are fawning over DF like he is a star. Both DF & EY are a reproach to the gospel not someone to be adoring.

Is EY's boy still waiting for trial or did he finally go to prison?

That was a bad deal!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Is EY's boy still waiting for trial or did he finally go to prison?

That was a bad deal!

He was sentenced I imagine he is already in the pen which he deserves.

[Reader]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Is EY's boy still waiting for trial or did he finally go to prison?

That was a bad deal!

Been in prison since August 2012 when he first was arrested. Finally pled on a small number of the charges and rest were dropped.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Reader

Been in prison since August 2012 when he first was arrested. Finally pled on a small number of the charges and rest were dropped.

Not so he pled on contest and was sentenced for at least 14 years.

[Reader]

No, he was sentenced to over 20 years. And he pled on a couple charges. Most all were dropped and cannot be brought up again. Pled no contest is correct- he pled. LOL

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Did I say that? Now if I was quoting EY like he was a saint and scholar you would have a point! These folks are fawning over DF like he is a star. Both DF & EY are a reproach to the gospel not someone to be adoring.

"Ultimately Fisher was responsible for his actions and the terrible path that he took, and as Fudge says "he paid with this life"."

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

"Ultimately Fisher was responsible for his actions and the terrible path that he took, and as Fudge says "he paid with this life"."

"Fawning" Steve???

[RunningOnFaith]

Originally Posted by crakjak

"Fawning" Steve???

True, Fudge does not go easy on Fisher in the last chapter. Besides the homosexuality issue, it was disturbing that Fisher had such a poor relationship with his wife and daughters. Fudge records a close member of Fishers family felt no grief whatsoever on account of the poor state of their relationship.

On the other hand, as Yadon points out-- you have to look at the impact of a mans entire life. Because he made some terrible choices does not mean that everything he ever did was worthless. It does not mean that everything he ever thought was destructive, I personally thought there was several intriguing ideas in the sermon "evangelism to the subconscious". His choices later in his life do not make wrong his ideas that students should interact and understand more than what Fudge calls "Denominational Positivism". There is a photo of a letter that Bro. Urshan sent Fisher while he was dying that note his impact on the UPC and that he was praying for his recovery. Such a letter represents compassion and concern that Christian people ought to be known for.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith

True, Fudge does not go easy on Fisher in the last chapter. Besides the homosexuality issue, it was disturbing that Fisher had such a poor relationship with his wife and daughters. Fudge records a close member of Fishers family felt no grief whatsoever on account of the poor state of their relationship.

On the other hand, as Yadon points out-- you have to look at the impact of a mans entire life. Because he made some terrible choices does not mean that everything he ever did was worthless. It does not mean that everything he ever thought was destructive, I personally thought there was several intriguing ideas in the sermon "evangelism to the subconscious". His choices later in his life do not make wrong his ideas that students should interact and understand more than what Fudge calls "Denominational Positivism". There is a photo of a letter that Bro. Urshan sent Fisher while he was dying that note his impact on the UPC and that he was praying for his recovery. Such a letter represents compassion and concern that Christian people ought to be known for.

I have not read Fudge's new book I wasn't speaking of him I was speaking of some of y'all.