Islamic Prayers at the Vatican

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

Just like the Jews.

I admit that the religion of Judaism after the cross became a flase religion. However you are wrong and being misleading to say that the Old testament denies the death of Jesus on the cross or that it denies that Jesus was the son of God. Please provide the references.

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Luke

I admit that the religion of Judaism after the cross became a flase religion. However you are wrong and being misleading to say that the Old testament denies the death of Jesus on the cross or that it denies that Jesus was the son of God. Please provide the references.

BothJews and Muslims threw out all but the first five books to eliminate references.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

BothJews and Muslims threw out all but the first five books to eliminate references.

Instead of going around and around in circles please answer this simple question:

Does the Jewish holy book deny that Jesus died on the cross or that He was the son of God?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Luke

Instead of going around and around in circles please answer this simple question:

Does the Jewish holy book deny that Jesus died on the cross or that He was the son of God?

It matters not what you can make the book say, it matters what the people who read the book believe it says.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It matters not what you can make the book say, it matters what the people who read the book believe it says.

Not true if two books are supposedly about the same God and both claim divine orgin yet one clearly says that Jesus died on the cross and was the Son of God while the other clearly says the exact opposite they are obviously not about the same God nor by the same divine author and what they say is exactly what matters.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Luke

Not true if two books are supposedly about the same God and both claim divine orgin yet one clearly says that Jesus died on the cross and was the Son of God while the other clearly says the exact opposite they are obviously not about the same God nor by the same divine author and what they say is exactly what matters.

Is it enough to say that the Quran didn't come from God even though muslims believe it did? And if it was not from God then it was invented by man. Just because they have a book they think is divine that was actually invented by man doesn't mean they automatically have a different God.

[shazeep]

There was a man who owned a vineyard, and had two sons...

[Luke]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Is it enough to say that the Quran didn't come from God even though muslims believe it did? And if it was not from God then it was invented by man. Just because they have a book they think is divine that was actually invented by man doesn't mean they automatically have a different God.

Yes it does:

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ

If one book claims that Jesus died on the cross and was the son of God and the other book says Jesus did not die on the cross and was not the son of God then they cannot both be correct. Atleast one of the books is lying and which ever of the two is lying falls under this catagory:

John 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Therefore one book is of God the other of the devil.

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Luke

Instead of going around and around in circles please answer this simple question:

Does the Jewish holy book deny that Jesus died on the cross or that He was the son of God?

The Torah does prophecy about Jesus either. Them books have been removed.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

There was a man who owned a vineyard, and had two sons...

Please put the rest of the parable and explain how it applies.