They have the Holy Ghost. How are they receiving the Holy Ghost if they are lost? My My My!!! I got saved and filled with the Holy Ghost back in 1961 in the A/G church. I still remember my first pastor and his family and even remember the names of the ladies who pick me up so I could go to church- I was just a 15 year old girl who fell in love with Jesus. I could NEVER say they weren't in the family of God.
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AOG people are not my brethren. The are not in God's family. They have refused His name.
AOG people are not my brethren. The are not in God's family. They have refused His name.
I can't call them brethren as far as NT covenant, but I do call them friends. Someone was criticizing Bro Crawford Coon the other day for calling a trinitarian brother...his response was "if I missed him in Christ I caught him in Adam". Lol
But I do agree with you...it bothers me when Pentecostals make such a big deal out of trying to give an image that they are no different Than any other denomination and go around calling anyone and everyone brethren. I attended an AoG church for about 2 years before I came to truth. I am even close to the leadership of that church now (and our church is right beside theirs!). We have wonderful discussions about The Lord And the Holy Ghost. However I have made it very clear and they understand, that while I love and respect them and count them friends, I believe that one MUST be water baptized in Jesus Name to be saved. They know in feel and what our church teaches about holiness too and seem to respect it.
I can't call them brethren as far as NT covenant, but I do call them friends. Someone was criticizing Bro Crawford Coon the other day for calling a trinitarian brother...his response was "if I missed him in Christ I caught him in Adam". Lol
But I do agree with you...it bothers me when Pentecostals make such a big deal out of trying to give an image that they are no different Than any other denomination and go around calling anyone and everyone brethren. I attended an AoG church for about 2 years before I came to truth. I am even close to the leadership of that church now (and our church is right beside theirs!). We have wonderful discussions about The Lord And the Holy Ghost. However I have made it very clear and they understand, that while I love and respect them and count them friends, I believe that one MUST be water baptized in Jesus Name to be saved. They know in feel and what our church teaches about holiness too and seem to respect it.
Amen, I cannot call a person my brother in good conscience unless they are baptized in the name of Jesus. I dont care if they believe everything else different than me. Their baptism is the deal breaker to me.
Amen, I cannot call a person my brother in good conscience unless they are baptized in the name of Jesus. I dont care if they believe everything else different than me. Their baptism is the deal breaker to me.
Actually baptism is the deal breaker for the Catholic church too.
If you are baptized in the trinity, you are still considered a member of their church. You are just "protesting" brethren, but still brethren.
All those people in all those protestant churches seem to be ignorant of the fact that the Catholic Church still claims them as part of their church.
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I can't call them brethren as far as NT covenant, but I do call them friends.
Here's what the Apostles said concerning those who had been baptized in the Holy Ghost.....
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30 The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross.
31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.
32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.” (Acts 5:30-32)
The baptism in the Holy Ghost is not just one of three "co-equal steps" in the new birth process. According to Peter, if God gives you the Holy Ghost, that is his own declaration that you have obeyed the gospel. While we as Apostolics are correct in many of our distinctives, we are wrong in assuming God demands perfection at conversion.
Here's what the Apostles said concerning those who had been baptized in the Holy Ghost.....
The baptism in the Holy Ghost is not just one of three "co-equal steps" in the new birth process. According to Peter, if God gives you the Holy Ghost, that is his own declaration that you have obeyed the gospel. While we as Apostolics are correct in many of our distinctives, we are wrong in assuming God demands perfection at conversion.
I do believe Jesus expects our baptism to be correct. I also believe HE KNOWS the hearts of all men. If indeed someone receives the Holy Spirit before water baptism God is showing he accepts their faith.
If he accepts their faith who am I not to? AND YET now that they have the Spirit he can guide them into that other "step".
I do believe Jesus expects our baptism to be correct. I also believe HE KNOWS the hearts of all men. If indeed someone receives the Holy Spirit before water baptism God is showing he accepts their faith.
If he accepts their faith who am I not to? AND YET now that they have the Spirit he can guide them into that other "step".
I do believe Jesus expects our baptism to be correct. I also believe HE KNOWS the hearts of all men. If indeed someone receives the Holy Spirit before water baptism God is showing he accepts their faith.
If he accepts their faith who am I not to? AND YET now that they have the Spirit he can guide them into that other "step".
I was actually referring to people who were baptized calling on the name of the Lord, but the one baptizing them did not invoke the name of Jesus (like those baptized in the titles). Personally, I do not believe it is scriptural to pray for people to receive the Spirit who have not been baptized.
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