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Old 06-20-2014, 09:57 AM
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Re: Islamic Prayers at the Vatican

...thus allowing legalists to reveal their premises, yes, yes. same as it ever was. Again, you honor the Man, and not the God with this; Muslims are just doing the opposite. Both are just religion, after all...
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The seems to give reasons why Ishmael was blessed of God but not the promised seed of Abraham.


Gen 17:15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

The first reason was because of his father's prayers.

The second reason was because of who his father was.
brilliant! or, close enough; your answers give possible 'why's, w/o really answering the 'how.' Ok, now see that the covenant was broken, and Israel was divorced...oh, and '12' is a special number...what else do we have 12 of? hmm

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