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Old 06-23-2014, 08:47 PM
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Re: Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge

That is interesting Monterrey. I believe the new manual was mostly made of PCI material.

Just what was the motive behind the PAJC? Is this addressed in Fudge's first book?
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:35 AM
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That is interesting Monterrey. I believe the new manual was mostly made of PCI material.

Just what was the motive behind the PAJC? Is this addressed in Fudge's first book?
It has always interested me in to why the merger had to take place. Why would two dissimilar orgs try to merge? There must be an agenda behind a decision like that one.

It could not have been missions as that did not require a merger. But when you look at the time frame of the merger and the apparent inablilty of the larger orgs to obtain the necessary exemption from the draft for ministers, then a reason begins to jump out and also why the larger orgs gave so much in the merger. ie, manual, positions, etc. The PCI was in the driver seat because of what they had.

Apparently, from what I can gather, the PCI had been in existence long enough to fulfill the time frame required from the government. When the war started there was a jump from many orgs to become exempt from the draft so the Government imposed a time limit that the org had to have been in existence. The PCI fulfilled that, the larger oneness orgs did not. They had to merge with an org that had that little qualification.

It is quite possible that they figured by joining with a smaller org that they would then be able to take over later on, just an idea.
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:46 AM
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It has always interested me in to why the merger had to take place. Why would two dissimilar orgs try to merge? There must be an agenda behind a decision like that one.

It could not have been missions as that did not require a merger. But when you look at the time frame of the merger and the apparent inablilty of the larger orgs to obtain the necessary exemption from the draft for ministers, then a reason begins to jump out and also why the larger orgs gave so much in the merger. ie, manual, positions, etc. The PCI was in the driver seat because of what they had.

Apparently, from what I can gather, the PCI had been in existence long enough to fulfill the time frame required from the government. When the war started there was a jump from many orgs to become exempt from the draft so the Government imposed a time limit that the org had to have been in existence. The PCI fulfilled that, the larger oneness orgs did not. They had to merge with an org that had that little qualification.

It is quite possible that they figured by joining with a smaller org that they would then be able to take over later on, just an idea.
If my memory serves me correctly on what I have read and heard the merger attempt has occurred twice and failed. I do know Witherspoon had to drag the PAJC into it. Their paper existed for season after the merger and every article nearly was putting out fires the body of the PAJC was not happy. But since the PCI was more locale many PAJCers had no idea what they believed at the time of the merger, then it must be remembered the majority of the PCI believed the new birth message it was the main leaders who did not and they were not very vocal nationally about it. Many think because Gurley and others did not believe the new birth it was common among them but in truth it was not.
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:13 PM
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Re: Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge

buncha guys fighting over doctrine, words, and the whole time demonstrating that none of them had a clue, where it really counts. I'll stick to my heresy, ty!
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Never understood the merger. Think it was a very big mistake.
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Perhaps it was a great experiment to see if the Holy Ghost would guide those within the organization into all truth.
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Never understood the merger. Think it was a very big mistake.
I agree.
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Perhaps it was a great experiment to see if the Holy Ghost would guide those within the organization into all truth.
I wonder the same.
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:32 PM
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--but seriously, that is when Christ will return. I keep looking for signs of stones gathering, but mostly see them still scattering.
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:35 PM
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--but seriously, that is when Christ will return. I keep looking for signs of stones gathering, but mostly see them still scattering.
I see a gahtering. In my opinion there is more unity among holiness minded Apostolics in the last couple years. Brethren who were divided by organizationl boundaries are enjoying fellowship.

Of course there are those who are going liberal and falling away too!
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