What does believing ______ profit?

[jfrog]

What does believing in onesness vs. the trinity really profit someone?
How does believing Jesus to be God as opposed to not God help anyone?

What good is it to believe in preterism over dispensationalism or vice versa?
What good is it to believe in the gifts of the spirit as opposed to not?

What does it profit you to believe tongues are the evidence of the Holy Ghost?
What good is it to believe baptism is required for salvation as opposed to believing it is something to be done after salvation?

What good are your beliefs? How does believing them make any difference?

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by jfrog

What does believing in onesness vs. the trinity really profit someone?
How does believing Jesus to be God as opposed to not God help anyone?

What good is it to believe in preterism over dispensationalism or vice versa?
What good is it to believe in the gifts of the spirit as opposed to not?

What does it profit you to believe tongues are the evidence of the Holy Ghost?
What good is it to believe baptism is required for salvation as opposed to believing it is something to be done after salvation?

What good are your beliefs? How does believing them make any difference?

While many can argue about any one of your questions, IMO believing in ONE God v e trinity is of utmost importance. I am not talking about the thousands of "trinitarians" who actually believe oneness theology even though they say they are trinitarian.....I am referring to those who actually believe in 3 separate and distinct persons of God....so......

in answer to your first question....if they truly believe in the trinity they believe in a false god and are practicing idol worship.....whom they ignorantly worship we must declare/make known.

[Sean]

JFROG, the questions that you asked can be summarized with one question, that Pilate asked our Lord..."what is truth"?

All of this that we do in this life is because we are "seekers" of truth. The word tells us the all men are liars. With this in mind, we should not put all of our eggs in one mans basket.

We just owe it to ourselves and our Creator to get to the actual, perfect truth of the Word of God.

The truth is there for you and I, but since the Apostles are not around to set us all straight, we must figure it out for ourselves.

For me personally, I am on a QUEST to find the EXACT truth, based on the Word of God. I have by no means arrived, but I will not give up until the Holy Ghost confirms to me each doctrine individually.

It is a lifes' quest, but a noble one indeed.
Never stop seeking and trying to get to the bottom of each and every question in your mind. The alternative is to just go sit in front of TV and stop thinking...LOL. Its easier, but it will make us spiritual morons ultimately....LOL.

My prayer is since I received the Spirit of truth, is that it will lead me and guide me into ALL truth. I pray and talk to the Lord about every doctrine that I "trip" on and ask for illumination. Sometimes the Holy Ghost shows me greater truth in what I am seeing and sometimes it throws scriptural "red flags".

It is really about us and our walk with God. Jesus said the day would come when the "true" worshippers would worship God in both spirit AND truth. IT REALLY DOES MATTER TO GOD WHAT YOU AND I BELIEVE brother.

Everyone that is seeking exact truth should leave no stone unturned in their mind.

The fun thing about this forum is presenting our beliefs to become "targeted" by others. I just think..."if somebody can WHOP IT, I will DROP IT. Then I will see if they make more sense...LOL

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by bishoph

While many can argue about any one of your questions, IMO believing in ONE God v e trinity is of utmost importance. I am not talking about the thousands of "trinitarians" who actually believe oneness theology even though they say they are trinitarian.....I am referring to those who actually believe in 3 separate and distinct persons of God....so......

in answer to your first question....if they truly believe in the trinity they believe in a false god and are practicing idol worship.....whom they ignorantly worship we must declare/make known.

um, wadr, why? If your God is bigger than their God, won't their God pretty much die out on its own?

[Sean]

The seriousness of finding the "truth" can be likened to a simple definition of Idolatry....
(Idolatry is a concept that we may have of God, but it may not be God at all...at that point it has become our imaginary god).

Either us oneness or the trinitarians are serving an IMAGINARY god. That makes this a critical issue to get to the bottom of.

These debates are the prefect will of God, since the Apostles are dead and nobody is here "officially" to vindicate our beliefs.

[ILG]

What does believing against gluttony profit?

It is biblical to believe against gluttony. It is personally profitable for me not to be a glutton. It is healthy and good.

What this does not do is give me a right to judge others, tell others they are in or out of the kingdom over it. Tell people they are going to hell for being a glutton and build a church "against gluttony". Wrong focus.

But it is profitable to believe against gluttony and practice it against it myself.

These principles apply to many things. Take them and apply.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by bishoph

While many can argue about any one of your questions, IMO believing in ONE God v e trinity is of utmost importance. I am not talking about the thousands of "trinitarians" who actually believe oneness theology even though they say they are trinitarian.....I am referring to those who actually believe in 3 separate and distinct persons of God....so......

in answer to your first question....if they truly believe in the trinity they believe in a false god and are practicing idol worship.....whom they ignorantly worship we must declare/make known.

Ah yes.... the believing in a false God claim. You've turned oneness into a salvation issue... but why? Does it have any impact on anything else in your life? Does it have any impact on anything else to do with your religion?

If believing in oneness over the trinity is sooo important why doesn't the belief in oneness make oneness apostolics better people and better Christians?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by ILG

What does believing against gluttony profit?

It is biblical to believe against gluttony. It is personally profitable for me not to be a glutton. It is healthy and good.

What this does not do is give me a right to judge others, tell others they are in or out of the kingdom over it. Tell people they are going to hell for being a glutton and build a church "against gluttony". Wrong focus.

But it is profitable to believe against gluttony and practice it against it myself.

These principles apply to many things. Take them and apply.

A true belief against gluttony is very profitable!

[Reader]

Would your questions be better framed as "What does debating about...."?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sean

JFROG, the questions that you asked can be summarized with one question, that Pilate asked our Lord..."what is truth"?

All of this that we do in this life is because we are "seekers" of truth. The word tells us the all men are liars. With this in mind, we should not put all of our eggs in one mans basket.

We just owe it to ourselves and our Creator to get to the actual, perfect truth of the Word of God.

The truth is there for you and I, but since the Apostles are not around to set us all straight, we must figure it out for ourselves.

For me personally, I am on a QUEST to find the EXACT truth, based on the Word of God. I have by no means arrived, but I will not give up until the Holy Ghost confirms to me each doctrine individually.

It is a lifes' quest, but a noble one indeed.
Never stop seeking and trying to get to the bottom of each and every question in your mind. The alternative is to just go sit in front of TV and stop thinking...LOL. Its easier, but it will make us spiritual morons ultimately....LOL.

My prayer is since I received the Spirit of truth, is that it will lead me and guide me into ALL truth. I pray and talk to the Lord about every doctrine that I "trip" on and ask for illumination. Sometimes the Holy Ghost shows me greater truth in what I am seeing and sometimes it throws scriptural "red flags".

It is really about us and our walk with God. Jesus said the day would come when the "true" worshippers would worship God in both spirit AND truth. IT REALLY DOES MATTER TO GOD WHAT YOU AND I BELIEVE brother.

Everyone that is seeking exact truth should leave no stone unturned in their mind.

The fun thing about this forum is presenting our beliefs to become "targeted" by others. I just think..."if somebody can WHOP IT, I will DROP IT. Then I will see if they make more sense...LOL

I'm not complaining about what you do on this forum. I'm saying seeking truth for the sole sake of truth turns "truth" into your God and not the Almighty himself.

If a doctrine or belief is only about being right and being in the truth then the "truth" is that there's something better you could focus your time and energy on. I'm not saying never have a discussion about whether God is oneness or trinity or anything like that, but if the belief ultimately doesn't have any benefit rather than being right then why are you soo concerned with it? Unless "truth" is more a God to you than God almighty himself.