All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Speaking as a former AoG minister who is now Oneness, you make a big mistake trying to "evangelize" someone who has the Holy Ghost. That approach was a total turn off to me and it was a Oneness pastor who treated me as an equal brother that peaked my curiosity and drove me to study out the issues that divided us.

Also, I think you guys are taking that verse in James way out of context. The "erring from the truth" here is obviously referring to sin, not doctrinal incompletion, since is speaks of converting sinners. This is referring to restoring backsliders. One is not a "sinner" if he has the Holy Ghost but has an incomplete revelation on the Godhead. In fact ,according to Paul if they have the Holy Ghost then "the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made them free from the law of sin and death."

Bro. if a man err's from the truth he IS a sinner. A heretic to be exact......whether he be a backslider or a false teacher, the Lord does not prefer one over the other...

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Sad. Jim Yohe ADVISED folks to get a screen name, so most of us did. NOTHING to hid, just a internet option. It seems like to me that you really must have a problem with "evil surmising". I'm not JRE and I just happen to like SOME of the things he posts on his blog.

Ok well that was like 10 years ago. I don't care who you are but since your mocking me for thinking your JR Ensey I suggested you just say who you are. Apparently that's a big problem for you. Are you afraid some people are going to see that you post here?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The posts speaks for itself. I'll just comment on the last line. Why sit through a Bible class at an Apostolic church? I sat in an Apostolic church for years, attended every camp meeting , youth rally, special service I could and did my share of preaching. Even went through over a years worth of personal Bible study with my pastor after my baptism (I was baptized the first day I attended a oneness church). I read the required books for licensing. I taught Into His Marvelous Light and Search for Truth (#2) several times in home bible studies.

Despite all if this I never heard expository preaching (didn't even know what it was until after I left the "apostolic" movement). Never heard Romans, Galatians, Ephesians (or any book, not even Jude) taught or explained. The totality of my exposure to solid Bible teaching and theology in over 2,000 services. It was either the basic "apostolic"distinctives (oneness, baptism, tongues, holiness standards) or a scripture taken out of context for an emotional reaction. After 10 years in the movement I realized that I couldn't even define grace. Yet this is typical of oneness pentecostals, even the "systematic theology" taught in UPC Bible colleges is bare bones and revolves around the distinctives of the movement. The theology is weak. The exegesis is weak. Why would anyone want to attend a Bible class at an Apostolic church by someone who doesn't even know basic hermeneutics?

Excellent post!!!

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Ok well that was like 10 years ago. I don't care who you are but since your mocking me for thinking your JR Ensey I suggested you just say who you are. Apparently that's a big problem for you. Are you afraid some people are going to see that you post here?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The posts speaks for itself. I'll just comment on the last line. Why sit through a Bible class at an Apostolic church? I sat in an Apostolic church for years, attended every camp meeting , youth rally, special service I could and did my share of preaching. Even went through over a years worth of personal Bible study with my pastor after my baptism (I was baptized the first day I attended a oneness church). I read the required books for licensing. I taught Into His Marvelous Light and Search for Truth (#2) several times in home bible studies.

Despite all if this I never heard expository preaching (didn't even know what it was until after I left the "apostolic" movement). Never heard Romans, Galatians, Ephesians (or any book, not even Jude) taught or explained. The totality of my exposure to solid Bible teaching and theology in over 2,000 services. It was either the basic "apostolic"distinctives (oneness, baptism, tongues, holiness standards) or a scripture taken out of context for an emotional reaction. After 10 years in the movement I realized that I couldn't even define grace. Yet this is typical of oneness pentecostals, even the "systematic theology" taught in UPC Bible colleges is bare bones and revolves around the distinctives of the movement. The theology is weak. The exegesis is weak. Why would anyone want to attend a Bible class at an Apostolic church by someone who doesn't even know basic hermeneutics?

Sad. Sorry for your life experience that has made you so bitter, but makes me thankful for the excellent Bible teaching that I have received.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I appreciate your conciliatory attitude but I can't see Biblical evidence that God has a salvation plan A & B. Despite the fact that Steve Epley and AR pastor are dead wrong and know their doctrine can't stand up to Biblical scrutiny, at least they are consistent in damning everyone to hell through the centuries until the 20th (and in their mind maybe the 1st &2nd, but anyone 3rd century through 19th, sorry for ya). Albeit they lack consistency in using trinitarian Bibles, Bible resources, songs, and even ecclesiology. They also condemn to hell even the trinitarians who have "obeyed Acts 2:38" being baptized in Jesus name and receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. But since their godhead theology doesn't line up with Steve Epley then ........ them to hell. As if everyone who gets baptized in a oneness understands oneness theology.

Were not saved by mastering theology or Christology. We are saved through understanding and believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who bore the wrath of God on our behalf because of our sin and rebellion, He was crucified and buried, rose again the third day. If someone believes that and repents of their sins trusting in Christ alone for salvation they will be saved. Of course baptism should follow such faith and repentance, and most normally will.

Back to Epley and AR pastor, they even condemn people who HAVE "experienced" Acts 2:38 even by their standards of flimsy interpretation and believe in the oneness of God, but condemn those people because they believe trinitarians can be saved.

All the while they are blinded to the fact that their interpretation of Christianity damns 99% of all Christians (not unbelievers, but people who trusted in Christ and many times sealed that faith with their own blood) through the centuries.

While at the same time even damning to hell those who die as martyrs this very year in Egypt, Iran, Sudan, and the like. Got crucified for your faith publicly in 2014? Did you speak in tongues? Well sorry for you you should have just denied Christ and saved yourself crucifixion. Instead they just suffered a premature death and start the torments of hell early according to Epley and AR pastor.

To say nothing of all the standards they believe you must keep to be saved. Its nothing more than neo-phariseeism. They would have probably been offended that Jesus healed the man with a maimed hand on the Sabbath or that he forgave the woman caught in adultery had they lived in the 1st century. Self righteousness and religious arrogance is always ugly whether in Judaism or Christianity.

Jason, I would like you to at least read the first page of my thread..."is the Law of Moses still in effect for Sinners"?(on the debate forum)..........I believe the Law is still in effect for NON Born Again folks and they will be judged by it. I believe I can make a bullet proof case for it. I believe that there will be separate judgements for saints(born again) and sinners(non born again). The Law of Moses to non bornagain Jews or the Unwritten(built in) Law to Gentiles will judge them as their requirement at the end.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Sad. Sorry for your life experience that has made you so bitter, but makes me thankful for the excellent Bible teaching that I have received.

Bitter lol. I'm posting under my real name, check out my Facebook page. I'm enjoying life and serving God. I'm tremendously happy in my church, my family, my job, and above all in my relationship with Christ which has grown exponentially in the last 4 years. You guys always have to play the bitter card because its the only card in your deck. You guys hate to see that people escape your phony phariseeic interpretation of Christianity and their families and lives don't fall apart, and they thrive in another church, and enjoy life. While you guys preach against everything except clean air. Ironically I think the bitter shoe is on the other side. Some of you guys are bitter at the freedom we enjoy while you all live in bondage. It doesn't have to be that way, quit working for salvation. Jesus did the work, its completed, rest in Him.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jason, I would like you to at least read the first page of my thread..."is the Law of Moses still in effect for Sinners"?(on the debate forum)..........I believe the Law is still in effect for NON Born Again folks and they will be judged by it. I believe I can make a bullet proof case for it. I believe that there will be separate judgements for saints(born again) and sinners(non born again). The Law of Moses to non bornagain Jews or the Unwritten(built in) Law to Gentiles will judge them as their requirement at the end.

Ok. But I think I agree with this. Not sure if I'd use the phrase "still in effect" but I certainly believe sinners will be judged by God's law.

I don't think we should stone homosexuals even if America was truly the Christian nation the polls say we are. (Obviously we are not).

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

This is your response again to giving your name? Don't worry about, like I said I don't care, but I do think it speaks volumes that you hide behind anonymity. Obviously you've got something to hide from the public and Google searches of your real name. So rest easy I have no desire to know. I thought you were someone, I think I'm incorrect if your denial is to be taken at face value. But keep your identity under wraps, apparently you need to. I wouldn't want to see you damage your rep.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Ok well that was like 10 years ago. I don't care who you are but since your mocking me for thinking your JR Ensey I suggested you just say who you are. Apparently that's a big problem for you. Are you afraid some people are going to see that you post here?

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

This is your response again to giving your name? Don't worry about, like I said I don't care, but I do think it speaks volumes that you hide behind anonymity. Obviously you've got something to hide from the public and Google searches of your real name. So rest easy I have no desire to know. I thought you were someone, I think I'm incorrect if your denial is to be taken at face value. But keep your identity under wraps, apparently you need to. I wouldn't want to see you damage your rep.