Has Steve Pixler left Apostolic Conservatism?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree that we should get back to just the Word, but the inherent problem with that too is this... everyone has an opinion about how a scripture or teaching should be interpreted. Who determines who is right? When you are dealing with writings that have been translated by so many different people, and we don't even possess the ORIGINAL writings, then there is a big question about which translation to go by, which idea or teaching to believe about a certain passage and so on. Basically, you can say you teach and preach the Bible, but ultimately it will be your interpretation that you are preaching and teaching, and someone else may see it differently, and both of you may be right in some way.

For example, I remember that ILG shared a scenario a while back, and I don't remember which post, but if I can paraphrase it (maybe she can repost it here), but two men were given instructions to "draw the curtain". One man took a piece of paper, and drew a picture of the curtain. The other got up, went to the window and pulled the curtain closed. Whose interpretation of the command "draw the curtain" was right? It is all a matter of opinion.

The correct interpretation would be the intent of the instructor. Did the person giving instruction desire a picture of the curtains to be drawn, or did they desire the curtains to be closed. While there may have been two plausible interpretations of the instruction, only one was right.

[Abiding Now]

Maybe BOTH are right. Draw the curtain so he will have enough light to draw the curtain.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Maybe BOTH are right. Draw the curtain so he will have enough light to draw the curtain.

The intention of the person who gave the instruction is the only correct interpretation.

[Sister Alvear]

to know the intention is often difficult....

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

to know the intention is often difficult....

That is true, but that is still the only correct interpretation. If there is more that one feasible interpretations of an instruction, one may be right, or neither may be right, but it is impossible for two or more different interpretations to be right.

[canam]

I havent seen Him in a few years,he has preached in our church,we would be considered very conservative,we have young ladies in our church that have small tattoos that visible ,no one looks down on them ,they are definitely hg filled and look it ,I'm sure we have some guys who are tatted but the shIrt covers it ,face it some kids have them on their neck and face ,so do we exclude them from service ? No ,if someone shows up in slacks and greets some one our pastor wouldn't stop them ,he has said we should be christian enough to accept all people in all different walks ,he doesn't look down on you if you don't have a tie on so I'm not ready to say bro pixler has gone off the so called reservation I think I know what he means,I like him !

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Steve has long been the intellectual darling of ultraconservative Apostolics.

In my opinion, this is additional evidence that The Movement is on death watch.

I've heard that two churches within the UPC who average over 1000 in attendance will announce their departure soon, as well.

Thank God for truth!

Good grief you are bitter.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Direct quotes from minute 40 to minute 44...

"If the Word doesn't teach it, you don't get to teach it. You don't get this pastoral authority thing that goes beyond the Word."

"I remember lying on my face and saying "God, if I make these changes, if these standards here get changed, if I change this and I change that, if I allow this and I allow that, God, I will destroy my Daddy's church. There won't be nothing left of my Dad's church when I'm done, Lord. His legacy will be destroyed. His legacy will be ended. God his ministry has been destroyed because of what I've done to his church.

And I remember lying on my face before God...and I remember the Holy Ghost speaking to me and saying "This is not your Daddy's church. This is not your church. It's My (God's) church. And you are going to obey what I tell you to do."

I don't know much about most of this thread. What i do know is that reading these quotes this is the first time in a long time i've been genuinely interested in getting a sermon CD/mp3.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

to know the intention is often difficult....

Right!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Good grief you are bitter.

How are y'all doing?