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[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Here's what I said.....

What do you think happens when someone dies?

I let them answer.

Do you think a person has to be a good person to go to Heaven?

I let them answer.


How would you define a good person? To Juan, a good person in who?


I let them answer.


Now did you just describe yourself when you described what you consider to be a good person?


I let them answer.


Can I ask you a few questions to see if you are indeed a good person?


If they say yes, I continue.


Are you familiar with the Ten Commandments?


If they are, I ask them to recite a few from memory. If they are not, I go over them with the individual.


I will now continue this post using fictitious names and demonstrate the technique...



Mark: Let me ask you this. You're 19. In your 19 years, how many times do you think you've told a lie.


Juan: Almost every day.


Mark: So if you tell llies almost every day, then what does that make you?


Juan: (laughing) A liar.

Mark: Have you ever stolen anything in your life?

Juan: Yes I have.

Mark: How many times do you think you've done that?

Juan: Probably like once a month.

Mark: Once a month? Really? For how long?

Juan: Since I was around 15.

Mark: For 15 years about once a month? So if you steal once a month for a long time, what does that make you?

Juan: I guess that makes me a thief.

Mark: Do you know what it is to take God's name in vain?

Juan: Yes.

Mark: How many times do you think yopu've done that?

Juan: Probably every day.

Mark: That's called blasphemy and the Bible says that the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes his name in vain.
Now you're 19, a young man. How would you define the word "adultery"?

Juan: Cheating on your wife?

Mark: I know you are not married, but Jesus said that whosover looks upon a woman to lust after her hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.
How many times do you think you've done that?

Juan: Oh much more than I should have? (laughing)

Mark: Okay Juan, by your own admission, you are a lying , thieving, blasphemous adulterer in your heart. Does that sound like the definition of a good person?

Juan: No, it does not.

Mark: Here's where it gets a little serious. Those are four of the Ten Commandments. If God judges you based on the standard of the Ten Commandments when you die and stand before Him,
do you think he'd find you guilty or innocent of breaking the Commandments?

Juan: He'd find me guilty.

Mark: And if he found you guilty, do you think you'd go to Heaven or Hell?

Juan: I think I'd go to Hell.

Mark: Does that concern you at all?

Juan: Yes, it does.

Mark: Why?

Juan: Because I don't want to got to Hell. I don't think anyone wants to go to Hell.

Mark: Do you have any idea what God di so you wouldn't have to go to Hell?

Juan: Dicn't he like, die for us?

Mark: Where did you hear that?

Juan: It seems like pretty much everywhere now, even in the movies.

Mark: Juan, let me ask you something. You don't have to tell me why, but have you ever been in a court room?

Juan: No. Never.

Mark: Really? You still once a month since you were 15 and you've never been caught? (both laugh)

Juan: Nope. I've been lucky.

Mark: Let me ask you this. The fact that you've never been caught make you any less guilty for stealing?

Juan: No, it doesn't.

Mark: Well, let's say you were caught. You are standing before the judge. You admit to it. It's not a case of mistaken identity. It's not a bad jury or a corrupt judge.
You actually did the crime. You're standing before the judge, and you'rewaiting to be sentenced. The judge says, "Juan, it's going to be a million dollar fine or a life in prison." Could you pay that fine?

Juan: No. But I think Id try to find a way.

Mark: But a million dollars. You're 19. You're probably not going to be able to pay that fine, right?

Juan: Probably not.

Mark: So the judge is getting ready to take you off to prison for the rest of your life when some you've never met walks into the courtroom,walks up to the judges bence, places a million into the judges hands and says, "Your honor, I've sold and given up everything because I love Juan and I want to pay his fine. Please let him go." Now a good judge, I think you'd agree, would punish a law breaker. But a good judge also, seeing you're fine has beeen paid and that the requirements of the Law have been satisfied would turn to you and say,"Juan, you're free to go NOT on the basis of anything YOU did, but because this other person came in and paid your fine". Would that be good news to you?

Juan: Yes it would.

Mark: What would you think of the one who paid your fine?

Juan: I think he'd be a really good person.

Mark: Well, that's a picture of what God did. God came down in the person of Jesus Christ. he was fully God, fully man. Without sin.
He died a horrible, bloody death on the cross, and took upon himself the punishment that you rightly deserve for breaking God's Law. Three days later He rose from the dead and he forever defeated death.
Now you're nodding your head like you've heard that before, and you might even believe that. Let me ask you this. Have you ever been on a plane?

Juan: Yes.

Mark: Where did you fly to?

Juan: To Chicago.

Mark: Let's both you and I are flying to Chicago. We're about half way there. The pilot comes over the loud speaker. You can hear fear in his voice as he says,"Folks, we've lost the engines! The plane is going down
and there is nothing we can do about it. But there are parachutes under your seats."

We both look under the seats, and the parachutes are there. We belive they are there, and we both believe in the parachute's ability to save us. The pilot then orders everyone to jump out of the plane.
I put my parachute on and I jump. You don't put your parachute on and you jump. Which one of us survives the fall?

Juan: The one with the parachute.

Mark: But we both believed in the parachute.

Juan: But only one was wearing the parachute.

Mark: So it wasn't enough for us to simply believe in the parachute. We had to believe to the point where we trusted the parachute enough to put it on,
and trust that it was going to open and save our life when we jumped out of the plane. There are millions and millions of people who say they believe in Jesus, but they are not going to spend a moment in heaven,
because they've never "put him on" personally, like the parachute. We start this process by repenting. We ask God to forgive us for breaking his Law. Then we purpose in our heart that through God's turn away from lust, adultery, stealing, and lying every day.
We also abandon every attempt to 'pay the fine ourselves' and trust in the fact that he already paid the fine at the cross, and put our trust in that. Then we 'put him on' by allowing his Spirit to come live within us, giving a new nature and a desire to live a life where we aren't constantly breaking his commandments.
Does that make sense?

Juan: yes it does.


Mark: The Apostles Peter told us how to "put on the parachute". Its found in Acts 2:38-39.

You see, when we forsake that which offends God and bury that old life with Christ in baptism, we are opening the way for God to baptize us with his Spirit to gives us a new life and nature that wants to obey him. Does that make sense?

Then what happens next is up to them.

Great Illustrations!!!!!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Thank you for sharing this. I enjoyed the reading and the visualizing.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. These are not my thoughts but a compilation of many sources. I can take credit for only compiling them.

I'm hoping this will be an encouragement to many believers to equip them on how to evangelize biblically, and to overcome their fear.

[Jason B]

Way of the Master? (Ray Comfort, Todd Friel, Kirk Cameron, etc)

So even though all trinitarians are going to hell oneness people copy their evangelism methods?

I personally think it is the correct method but I wonder why there is an 80 page thread condemning all trinitarians to hell while oneness people just piggy back everything they do then throw stones at them. Just seems a bit inconsistent to me.

That's not to be a downer on you Originalist, the only thing I think is silly is the "almost got the Holy Ghost" comment that Houston rightly pointed out doesn't make sense. IOW I like your zeal but your soteriology is lacking. But I'm trusting God will lead you in that.

[Jason B]

Todd Friel - Beware Of The False Conversion (Wret...: http://youtu.be/GoiLxZtBIVY
Pastor Ray Comfort: open air preaching, HB Pier 6...: http://youtu.be/dVl9-Pxzkrk

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Way of the Master? (Ray Comfort, Todd Friel, Kirk Cameron, etc)

So even though all trinitarians are going to hell oneness people copy their evangelism methods?

I personally think it is the correct method but I wonder why there is an 80 page thread condemning all trinitarians to hell while oneness people just piggy back everything they do then throw stones at them. Just seems a bit inconsistent to me.

That's not to be a downer on you Originalist, the only thing I think is silly is the "almost got the Holy Ghost" comment that Houston rightly pointed out doesn't make sense. IOW I like your zeal but your soteriology is lacking. But I'm trusting God will lead you in that.

Jason, I really wish you had not injected this bitter post into my thread. You say that it is no downer on me but then make a crack on a comment I made concerning a woman who "almost got the Holy Ghost". Those Samaritans in Acts 8 almost got the Holy Ghost when Philip preached to them as well. They were even filled with great joy. But guess what? They didn't get the Holy Ghost until a coupe of days later. True or not? So please don't act like I said anything that does not have Biblical precedent.

Furthermore, you know I do not believe all Trinitarians are lost and I get just as frustrated as you at the attitude of those on here who do think Trinitarians are all lost. So why use this thread to express your disgust with them? Please delete your post and I'll then delete this one. Thanks.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Way of the Master? (Ray Comfort, Todd Friel, Kirk Cameron, etc)

So even though all trinitarians are going to hell oneness people copy their evangelism methods?

I personally think it is the correct method but I wonder why there is an 80 page thread condemning all trinitarians to hell while oneness people just piggy back everything they do then throw stones at them. Just seems a bit inconsistent to me.

That's not to be a downer on you Originalist, the only thing I think is silly is the "almost got the Holy Ghost" comment that Houston rightly pointed out doesn't make sense. IOW I like your zeal but your soteriology is lacking. But I'm trusting God will lead you in that.

Jason, I personally do not use WOTM, but it is correct in using the Law of Moses to make folks aware of their sins. Sinners are indeed under the Law unless they get saved, and they need to know about it.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Jason, I really wish you had not injected this bitter post into my thread. You say that it is no downer on me but then make a crack on a comment I made concerning a woman who "almost got the Holy Ghost". Those Samaritans in Acts 8 almost got the Holy Ghost when Philip preached to them as well. They were even filled with great joy. But guess what? They didn't get the Holy Ghost until a coupe of days later. True or not? So please don't act like I said anything that does not have Biblical precedent.

Furthermore, you know I do not believe all Trinitarians are lost and I get just as frustrated as you at the attitude of those on here who do think Trinitarians are all lost. So why use this thread to express your disgust with them? Please delete your post and I'll then delete this one. Thanks.

1)I can't delete it but you can request admin do so.
2)I disagree with your hermeneutic but am willing to discuss that on another thread.
3)At least you care enough to go and share your faith and that is commendable.

[Reader]

Those Samaritans in Acts 8 almost got the Holy Ghost when Philip preached to them as well.

Where does the Bible proclaim that they almost got the Holy Ghost? My Bible only states that "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)." My Bible clearly states the Holy Ghost had NOT fallen on any of them, so it was impossible for them to "almost" have received.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Reader

Where does the Bible proclaim that they almost got the Holy Ghost? My Bible only states that "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)." My Bible clearly states the Holy Ghost had NOT fallen on any of them, so it was impossible for them to "almost" have received.

I agree. I was just using a little sarcasm.