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Old 08-23-2014, 02:33 PM
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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/

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what is wrong with screaming, spitting and sweating. Don't knock it till you try it. I am very passionate about the gospel of Jesus Christ and I think it is judgmental to say that unless we preach or teach a certain way you or wrong. I have heard screamers with no content and I have heard talkers with no content(about the Bible). I have heard screamers with plenty of content and talkers with plenty of content.

I don't think there is a biblical prescription to voice tone that must be followed. I won't judge you if you don't scream and you shouldn't judge me if I do. We should judge the content, but we become like movie critics when we run people down because of their presentation. I liked Pixlar's message over all, but I did get the impression he was getting unity in the church mixed up with unity with the world.

I am fine with different music styles of Christian music, styles of Christian dress, styles of Christian living, but we must not leave off being Christian. I don't know what Pixlar meant by differences, but he is accountable for how he uses his influence. I don't want to make people feel good about ungodliness, but I do believe that people are at different stages in their walk with God and we must be patient. If leadership models and teaches the Bible's teaching we do our part.
I will be happy to tell you what is wrong with being a screamer. We have been given a mission with the great commission to communicate the gospel of Jesus Christ. Screaming and yelling is not effective communication to the vast majority of the unsaved and unchurched.

Many old tie Pentecostals seem to equate sincerity, truth, annointing, etc with how loudly one proclaims the gospel message when that is not the truth from both a logical standpoint and a biblical one. As I mentioned before it seems many preachers want to model their ministries after Old Testament judges and prophets rather than the New Testament example of the ministry of Jesus.

The first part of my life I was in old time Pentecost with all of the hollaring, screaming, holy breath, spinning, twirling, the helicopter, chanting "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus over and over as fast as could be said and on and on.

After that in churches that don't have all of these public extra biblical displays I have seen just as many lives changed, healings, deliverances, etc etc.

I absolutely don't want a boring preacher but I also don't want one who preaches as if he is in a 19th century campmeeting and is trying to make thousands of people hear him without amplification.

This Pentecostal culture of screaming while preaching also lends itself to preachers preaching for response and not results. If they don't get the immeidate gratification of folks whooping and hollaring and jumping around themselves then they are unhappy and accuse the congregation of "being dead" or "not getting it".
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