Social drinking?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

My favorite adding to the word is

"Jesus turned water into Welches Grape juice"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

With yer self????

I thought that was odd.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I thought that was odd.

haha

[obriencp]

This is quoted from the link Sean posted earlier...

"There was no time for the fermentation process to break down the structure of its energy-giving sugars into disintegrative alcohols."

Jesus didn't have time to plant a vineyard, let the vines grow, let the grapes grow, harvest them, clean them, press them, and bottle the results either. But according to scripture He didn't need that time. The quote is foolishness.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by obriencp

This is quoted from the link Sean posted earlier...

"There was no time for the fermentation process to break down the structure of its energy-giving sugars into disintegrative alcohols."

Jesus didn't have time to plant a vineyard, let the vines grow, let the grapes grow, harvest them, clean them, press them, and bottle the results either. But according to scripture He didn't need that time. The quote is foolishness.

Well said and yes, the quote was foolishness. Then again, its easy to say foolish things when one is not staying true to The Book while trying to explain The Book.

[The Lemon]

Interesting thread...I see good points on both sides. I would say, at least in my opinion, that looking for occasions to go out a "socially drink" could be a set up for much worse in a persons life in the future.

That said, I know for myself, that some folks do things (like drink an alcoholic beverage) simply because they can. When you are taught and made to believe it is the devil in a bottle, and basically controlled - the human response in SOME cases is to test the waters - simply because you are an adult who wants to make an adult choice - now we can argue right or wrong - but that is a different discussion.

I do find it amazing how many Christians hate anything to do with alcohol because of its horrific addictions in society, but never see many of the same people talking about gluttony, or lack of taking care of the "temple". The alcohol soapbox seems to go all the way back to prohibition.

I can def. see the argument for total abstinence given the confusion, and views both in Church and honestly in the world, regarding addiction and abuse. It is indeed another circular argument..

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

Interesting thread...I see good points on both sides. I would say, at least in my opinion, that looking for occasions to go out a "socially drink" could be a set up for much worse in a persons life in the future.

That said, I know for myself, that some folks do things (like drink an alcoholic beverage) simply because they can. When you are taught and made to believe it is the devil in a bottle, and basically controlled - the human response in SOME cases is to test the waters - simply because you are an adult who wants to make an adult choice - now we can argue right or wrong - but that is a different discussion.

I do find it amazing how many Christians hate anything to do with alcohol because of its horrific addictions in society, but never see many of the same people talking about gluttony, or lack of taking care of the "temple". The alcohol soapbox seems to go all the way back to prohibition.

I can def. see the argument for total abstinence given the confusion, and views both in Church and honestly in the world, regarding addiction and abuse. It is indeed another circular argument..

The only difference that I can see from growing up in a home with a bar and a religion that didn't teach against it - obesity doesn't mentally or physically abuse another person. It only harms the glutton. Perhaps that is the bias.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The only difference that I can see from growing up in a home with a bar and a religion that didn't teach against it - obesity doesn't mentally or physically abuse another person. It only harms the glutton. Perhaps that is the bias.

Not trying to split hairs here, but gluttony negatively effects the next generation if you have kids and it harms your walk with God and that hurts Him .

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by endtimer

Not trying to split hairs here, but gluttony negatively effects the next generation if you have kids and it harms your walk with God and that hurts Him .

I think the point PO was making was that people don't normally eat so much that they then mentally or physically abuse another person because they're so FULL they can't think straight or make good decisions. I would agree that gluttony is mostly a sin that only hurts the person committing it, assuming we're talking about direct physical or mental harm/abuse.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by endtimer

Not trying to split hairs here, but gluttony negatively effects the next generation if you have kids and it harms your walk with God and that hurts Him .

Perhaps, but I've never had a glutton try to strangle me. I have had a drunk attempt to.