Sorry if my response is after the fact. I didn't mean to beat you up with any overkill. I responded before I had read the previous admonitions presented to you. Love you bro!
Love you to brother, but you dont have to apologize for me. They must apologize to our Lord before it is too late. They will die lost for teaching this doctrine, or the Apostles will have to apologize for not including this tithing doctrine into the N.T. church.
I know this is a big joke to all of you tithe teachers, but the reality is....when you die, you will go to hell. The Lord does not give folks the holy Ghost to vindicate their beliefs, but to lead them out of false doctrine. If you dont see it now, the Lord will not allow you into heaven for teaching your heresy.
I don't think the discussion on tithes is a big joke, Bother Badejo shared information with me on this subject years ago. It took a while to get the CDs but he sent me a whole collection on the subject. No, what I think is a joke is your silliness, and your self importance that usually comes upon individuals who cut themselves off by thinking they are the only ones who "really" hear from God. Everyone else is a bad machine and they are God's appointed mechanic who is sent to right all the wrongs.
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I have noticed that there is NO rebuttal on your part, just scoffing.
Correct, hey, Elijah mocked prophets of Baal. Jesus said the well need not a physician. Jesus also said they were blind leaders of the blind, meaning only the ones who didn't have Jesus as their pastor would end up blind to the foolishness spewed by those "false" teachers. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and another they will not follow. End of story. Some people need to be the leaf on the river, going with the flow, instead of trying to be the river and drowning all the leaves.
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That is a sign of your false doctrine being acknowledged by yourselves.
So, Elijah was a false prophet because he mocked the prophets of Baal?
Jesus was a false prophet because what He said to the Pharisees in Matthew 23?
Sean, if you are hearing voices you best make sure they line up with what is going on in the scripture.
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You know that tithing is false doctrine and you just dont care.
Sean, YOU don't care.
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This is not about me....
No, no, it is all about YOU.
YOU built others churches for "FREE" remember?
You caught this burr under your saddle a long time ago.
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this is going to cost you eternity without God.
And you don't care.
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You guys have done business with Satan all of your Christian lives and whenever you die, you will follow him to a place of torment.
Whenever we die?
I guess you pray it's soon? In that way you can be justified and pleased that you are truly a man of God. Sean, if I go to hell I'll make sure I save you a seat.
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There is no place for heretical teachers in heaven.
You better fix it while you are on earth.
Physician heal thyself.
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Wow Sean. Been reading some of your bizzare rants against tithing. You certainly don't lack passion for your position.
I've always given a tithe on my earnings. While it was an Old Testament principle that God invented, it seemed to be a good principle in the new also. Nobody ever forced, coerced, or threatened hell fire if I didn't offer tithes. It just seemed to me an excellent principle for financing the work of the ministry. I always felt honored to give my tithe, and gave it reverently, as unto the Lord. And I always trembled for the man of God, that he was now accountable for the use of those funds, in the work of the kingdom.
Besides the tithe, I have also had the privilage of giving to several building funds, Sunday Schools, and missions programs. None of them by force, but freely and most reverently. What a great God I serve...that he would allow me in some small way, to contribute to his mighty work.
To now learn that I'm gonna split hell wide open...and that eradicating such worship has become my Lord's top priority, is a little unsettling. Are you sure you didn't have a wrong number, when my Lord talked to you about this?
Wow Sean. Been reading some of your bizzare rants against tithing. You certainly don't lack passion for your position.
I've always given a tithe on my earnings. While it was an Old Testament principle that God invented, it seemed to be a good principle in the new also. Nobody ever forced, coerced, or threatened hell fire if I didn't offer tithes. It just seemed to me an excellent principle for financing the work of the ministry. I always felt honored to give my tithe, and gave it reverently, as unto the Lord. And I always trembled for the man of God, that he was now accountable for the use of those funds, in the work of the kingdom.
Besides the tithe, I have also had the privilage of giving to several building funds, Sunday Schools, and missions programs. None of them by force, but freely and most reverently. What a great God I serve...that he would allow me in some small way, to contribute to his mighty work.
To now learn that I'm gonna split hell wide open...and that eradicating such worship has become my Lord's top priority, is a little unsettling. Are you sure you didn't have a wrong number, when my Lord talked to you about this?
This "attack" that I am partaking in is not on the givers of tithes, they are the deceived ones(the innocents).
This attack is on the heretics that have imposed tithing on the church(body of Christ). As long as you give whatever you want of any percentage, VOLUNTARILY, you are in good standing with the Lord according to scripture.
The Lord Jesus is FURIOUS with this wretched doctrine that Christianity has imposed on the church and the world witnesses it.
I was finally "commissioned" by the Lord about 12 years ago, when I sat on the couch of my home and had the discussion of tithing with a pastor/mentor/relative of mine. I told him(with no internet or outside info to help my cause), that I think tithing is not a N. T. command for the church, He took me to Heb 7, then quoted to me...."here men that die, receive tithes".
He then asked me..."who is this?". I said,..."looks like Jewish priests".
Its like I poked him in the eye, this "opposing" point of view infuriated him and he said..."if you dont pay your tithes, you will split hell wide open".
The Holy Ghost immediately spoke to me that this was "Pope-ish" and evil.
After he left my home, I began to be greatly troubled about this doctrine and prayed for hours daily about this injustice.
As an avid soul winner, I always struggled with having to bring souls into this mess, but I did it anyway.
This man almost immediately developed cancer and about 2 years later, I was standing at his grave in Wash. state.
Since then, the Lord allowed me to be in services to hear "big name" UPC pastors say things like..."I am praying the curse of Malachi on my churchs' non tithers", or others saying, ..."those that oppose tithing are going straight to hell!".
All this rhetoric has escalated in my hearing, until the Holy Ghost revealed to me that the end time revival we seek will NEVER come until this heresy of .(Forced) tithing is ended.
The Lord has dealt with me to stand up to these "men of God" and rebuke them openly until they repent. I have met with several well known pastors in the UPC and challenged them with their tithing doctrine. You guys are only seeing a small portion of what I must do here.
I gave you this background of how all this started for me, so you can understand that I am not as "calloused" as you may think.
I know this is a big joke to all of you tithe teachers, but the reality is....when you die, you will go to hell. The Lord does not give folks the holy Ghost to vindicate their beliefs, but to lead them out of false doctrine. If you dont see it now, the Lord will not allow you into heaven for teaching your heresy. I have noticed that there is NO rebuttal on your part, just scoffing. That is a sign of your false doctrine being acknowledged by yourselves. You know that tithing is false doctrine and you just dont care. This is not about me....this is going to cost you eternity without God.
You guys have done business with Satan all of your Christian lives and whenever you die, you will follow him to a place of torment.
There is no place for heretical teachers in heaven. You better fix it while you are on earth.
Sean, I don't believe tithes are required of born again believers under this covenant. However, I'd be cautious before condemning all tithers to Hell. Since the church is free to give as one has purposed in their heart... should a body embrace giving 5%, 10%, or 15% as a regular sustaining offering... they do well.
In condemning tithers to Hell... we commit the same sin as those who condemn non-tithers to Hell. Can't you see... it's the division and lack of love between the two groups that is the very essence of sin as it relates to this topic???
Forgive and accept tithers. Even forgive and accept those who have a condemnatory attitude, they a repeating what they've been taught. Instead, show Christian love, grace, and acceptance.
Sean, I don't believe tithes are required of born again believers under this covenant. However, I'd be cautious before condemning all tithers to Hell. Since the church is free to give as one has purposed in their heart... should a body embrace giving 5%, 10%, or 15% as a regular sustaining offering... they do well.
In condemning tithers to Hell... we commit the same sin as those who condemn non-tithers to Hell. Can't you see... it's the division and lack of love between the two groups that is the very essence of sin as it relates to this topic???
Forgive and accept tithers. Even forgive and accept those who have a condemnatory attitude, they a repeating what they've been taught. Instead, show Christian love, grace, and acceptance.
Don't become like them!
Brother, please understand. This is not, nor has it ever been directed towards the givers of tithes.(they have been duped). This is directed towards the teachers only.(for clarification)
Brother, please understand. This is not, nor has it ever been directed towards the givers of tithes.(they have been duped). This is directed towards the teachers only.(for clarification)
And the teachers are not duped? They were not taught wrongly? They are not bound up in a system that could leave them homeless if they renounced the teaching?
The teachers are in need of the same grace, love, and mercy as anyone else? Why make an exception to justify a bitter and perhaps unloving spirit? I see your concern, but love will win over judgment.
Jason if you had been following my absurd posts you would have realized it was tongue in cheek. some folks have little or no sense of humor and others just don't have any sense.
If you didn't have a well deserved reputation for condemning people to hell perhaps I would have let it go. But regardless of if it was TIC you doubtless believe those who don't tithe are going to hell (correct me if I'm wrong).
I enjoy joking around but not about people going to hell. If that's humorous to you, carry on.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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If you didn't have a well deserved reputation for condemning people to hell perhaps I would have let it go. But regardless of if it was TIC you doubtless believe those who don't tithe are going to hell (correct me if I'm wrong). I enjoy joking around but not about people going to hell. If that's humorous to you, carry on.
If you didn't have a well deserved reputation for condemning people to hell perhaps I would have let it go. But regardless of if it was TIC you doubtless believe those who don't tithe are going to hell (correct me if I'm wrong).
I enjoy joking around but not about people going to hell. If that's humorous to you, carry on.
He condemns groups of people to hell, but not individuals. E.g., all Trinitarians will go to hell, but if you ask him about a specific Trinitarian, he won't say: says it's up to God. Yeah, weird, I know. But what can ya do?
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