(Mat 23:23)Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
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Are you a scribe or pharisee under the Law?.....If you are a pastor, dont you even realize that Jesus was rebuking the PHARISEES(RABBIS) that were still under the law?
The passage CLEARLY tells us that tithing is of the LAW.
(Luk 11:42)But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Was this written to you? Are you a pharisee, under the Law?
It is truly amazing how far some people will go to wrest the scriptures in an attempt to justify their ideology and or false doctrine. You cannot find one place in the New Testament where tithing is taught AGAINST, in fact it is mentioned in 7 verses of the NT and NEVER in a negative light. An argument based on silence/absence is a weak argument on either side.
Agreed. It us amazing how some wrest the scriptures to set aside everything in the Law and yet keep tithing, albeit while ignoring EVERY SINGLE Old Testament command and instruction about what to do with the tithe.
You can't find one place in the New Testament where peace offerings are taught AGAINST. What's your point?
Yes tithing is mentioned 7 times in the NT, you say never in a negative light. That is arguable. I'm not so sure the parable of the self righteous pharisee is "positive". However positive/negative doesn't really matter, what does is tithing is always mentioned in relation to the Old Covenant. Never is it mentioned to New Covenant believers, nor are we given any instructions on how to collect tithes without a Temple, Levitical priesthood, or when the tithe changed to "money, money, money....moneyyyy".
Furthermore not only does the NT know nothing of tithing but neither does early church history. In fact you've got to get 250 years past Nicea before you even see the issue come up at the Council of Tours which wasn't even an ecumenical council.
Tithing in the New covenant has no precedent in scripture no early church history.
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Agreed. It us amazing how some wrest the scriptures to set aside everything in the Law and yet keep tithing, albeit while ignoring EVERY SINGLE Old Testament command and instruction about what to do with the tithe.
You can't find one place in the New Testament where peace offerings are taught AGAINST. What's your point?
Yes tithing is mentioned 7 times in the NT, you say never in a negative light. That is arguable. Im not so sure the parable if the self righteous pharisee is "positive". Hiwver positive/negative doesn't really matter, what does is tithing is always mentioned in relation to the Old Covenant. Never is it mentioned to New Covenant believers, nor are we given any instructions on how to collect tithes without a Temple, Levitical priesthood, or when the tithe changed to "money, money, money....moneyyyy".
Furthermore not only does the NT know nothing of tithing but neither does early church history. In fact you've got to get 250 years past Nicea before you even see the issue come up at the Council if Tours which wasn't even an ecumenical council.
Tithing in the New covenant has no precedent in scripture no early church history.
Bro. Jason, I understand your argument, however, you have not addressed the majority of my post......you are a scholarly young man, and even though I strongly disagree with the direction you have taken doctrinally (based on what I have read on this forum) I value your writings and enjoy discussions from time to time. That said.....again you have ignored the greater part of my post. The fact remains that if tithe was originally a tenth (which it was) and if tithes were given under the law, then the church should be more generous NOT less. (I have read some of your posts about tithing and I know that YOU believe in giving abundantly not sparingly/grudgingly, however that is NOT my experience with MOST who hold your opinion.)
I do believe that the early church had the law as a precedent and therefore because they were a tithing culture/people giving was probably a non-issue to them. Because of their strong "law" based giving structure the "freewill" offerings were most likely MORE than a tithe not less. Remember the early church was a Judaeo church and the influence of their Judaism was palpable for many years......I assure you it did influence their giving as well.
Regardless of our differences my friend, my main objective in entering this discussion was to point out the judgmental and pompous spirit and attitude that was being spewed out by our friend Sean on this topic. To wish and even pray for pastors and leaders to die because they teach something that you feel is in error is NOT the spirit of Christ. When the disciples saw some not of their persuasion casting out devils in the name of Christ....they forbid them and rebuked them.....Jesus let them know they had the wrong spirit and just a few verses later they wanted to call down fire from heaven and destroy folks who rejected Jesus....yet Jesus rebuked them because they "knew not what spirit they were of." Such diatribe makes it easy for one to say then his teaching must be in error as well, because he says God has told him this and made this MORE IMPORTANT than winning souls and sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is NOTHING more important to God than saving the lost......it was/is so important that he robed himself in flesh and died to redeem man from the curse. But NOW correcting the tithe teaching pastors is MORE important.....PLEASE.
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