For those who do teach the principle of tithing...
Are there any needy classes (widows, orphans, poor, fellow ministers) that are exempt from tithing within your congregation?
And, in what manner do the tithes collected into the "storehouse" go to aid needy classes?
I ask these questions because the Law as it pertained to the tithe was never a burden upon those needy classes in Israel. In fact, a portion of the tithes collected were to relieve the distress of the most needy among them (widows, orphans, etc.). Therefore, to Israel the tithe was a blessing to the people, namely the poor. The way so many preach tithing today... tithing under the New Covenant can be oppressive to the very classes the Law sought to protect and relieve. As a result, New Testament tithing becomes far more harsh and burdensome than the tithe could have ever been... even under the Law of Moses.
I wonder how many believe that one will go to Hell for non tithe paying? Anyone on this thread?
I am against the doctrine that its a true doctrine that one must tithe. But Im even stronger about the doctrine that a man cannot wear a beard. And that a woman cannot trim her hair.
No doubt many souls that could have came to Oneness remained in the Evangelical groups because of these non Apostolic man made traditions.
Hey Sean, turn some of your energy loose in THAT direction!
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I wonder how many believe that one will go to Hell for non tithe paying? Anyone on this thread?
I am against the doctrine that its a true doctrine that one must tithe. But Im even stronger about the doctrine that a man cannot wear a beard. And that a woman cannot trim her hair.
No doubt many souls that could have came to Oneness remained in the Evangelical groups because of these non Apostolic man made traditions.
Hey Sean, turn some of your energy loose in THAT direction!
Brother, when I get done skinnin' them here, I'll start on that group next!
I'd like to see the BIBLE doctrine of tithing being defined as "at least ten percent of your paycheck deposited as cash or a check in the church treasury for which you will get an IRS tax deduction" please.
I'd like to see the BIBLE doctrine of tithing being defined as "at least ten percent of your paycheck deposited as cash or a check in the church treasury for which you will get an IRS tax deduction" please.
And dont forget to specify..."on the gross of your paycheck"....LOL
Brother, if these guys lived in the 1st century, they would have had to start their own movement. The Apostles would have kicked them out of the churches when they heard them bless and curse the saints according to Mal. 3(the Law)....LOL. Not even in 1st century HISTORY do you read of the nonsense that they teach. This weird concept of Christian tithing has NO scriptural or historical record anywhere in the world until the 6th century. This is why I came to realize that these men are teaching "dark age" theology, that is based in HARD CORE CATHOLICISM!!!
A tithe (/ˈtaɪš/; from Old English: teogoža "tenth") is a one-tenth part of something, paid as a contribution to a religious organization or compulsory tax to government.[1] Today, tithes are normally voluntary and paid in cash, cheques, or stocks, whereas historically tithes were required and paid in kind, such as agricultural products. Several European countries operate a formal process linked to the tax system allowing some churches to assess tithes.
Traditional Jewish law and practice has included various forms of tithing since ancient times. Orthodox Jews commonly practice ma'aser kesafim (tithing 10% of their income to charity). In modern Israel, Jews continue to follow the laws of agricultural tithing, e.g., ma'aser rishon, terumat ma'aser, and ma'aser sheni. In Christianity, some interpretations of Biblical teachings conclude that although tithing was practiced extensively in the Old Testament, it was never practiced or taught within the first-century Church. Instead, the New Testament scriptures are seen as teaching the concept of "freewill offerings" as a means of supporting the church: 1 Corinthians 16:2, 2Corinthians 9:7. Also, some of the earliest groups sold everything they had and held the proceeds in common to be used for the furtherance of the Gospel: Acts 2:44-47, Acts 4:34-35. Further, Acts 5:1-20 contains the account of a man and wife (Ananias and Sapphira) who were living in one of these groups. They sold a piece of property and donated only part of the selling price to the church but claimed to have given the whole amount and immediately fell down and died when confronted by the apostle Peter over their dishonesty.
Tithes were mentioned in councils at Tours in 567 and at Mācon in 585. They were formally recognized under Pope Adrian I in 787.[citation needed]
I have yet to receive an answer to some questions I asked previously. Here's the post,
For those who do teach the principle of tithing...
Are there any needy classes (widows, orphans, poor, fellow ministers) that are exempt from tithing within your congregation?
And, in what manner do the tithes collected into the "storehouse" go to aid needy classes?
I ask these questions because the Law as it pertained to the tithe was never a burden upon those needy classes in Israel. In fact, a portion of the tithes collected were to relieve the distress of the most needy among them (widows, orphans, etc.). Therefore, to Israel the tithe was a blessing to the people, namely the poor. The way so many preach tithing today... tithing under the New Covenant can be oppressive to the very classes the Law sought to protect and relieve. As a result, New Testament tithing becomes far more harsh and burdensome than the tithe could have ever been... even under the Law of Moses.
You see... I want to know the bounds within which they teach tithing. Do they make the tithe absolutely mandatory, even for those who it would prove to burden, or do they relieve those who are in financial trouble? This question is of the utmost importance. Why? Because it will prove if one's tithe teaching is a form of oppression or if it is taught in the very spirit of biblical tithing.
Biblically speaking, if they require a tithe the burdens those under hardship... they have taken what was designed to relieve hardship and used it for extortion and oppression.
I have yet to receive an answer to some questions I asked previously. Here's the post,
For those who do teach the principle of tithing...
Are there any needy classes (widows, orphans, poor, fellow ministers) that are exempt from tithing within your congregation?
And, in what manner do the tithes collected into the "storehouse" go to aid needy classes?
I ask these questions because the Law as it pertained to the tithe was never a burden upon those needy classes in Israel. In fact, a portion of the tithes collected were to relieve the distress of the most needy among them (widows, orphans, etc.). Therefore, to Israel the tithe was a blessing to the people, namely the poor. The way so many preach tithing today... tithing under the New Covenant can be oppressive to the very classes the Law sought to protect and relieve. As a result, New Testament tithing becomes far more harsh and burdensome than the tithe could have ever been... even under the Law of Moses.
You see... I want to know the bounds within which they teach tithing. Do they make the tithe absolutely mandatory, even for those who it would prove to burden, or do they relieve those who are in financial trouble? This question is of the utmost importance. Why? Because it will prove if one's tithe teaching is a form of oppression or if it is taught in the very spirit of biblical tithing.
Biblically speaking, if they require a tithe the burdens those under hardship... they have taken what was designed to relieve hardship and used it for extortion and oppression.
I've heard it taught that if you are poor, you may be poor because you don't tithe. Further, if you start tithing, even if you think you can't afford it, God will bless you. "You can't afford not to tithe!" they like to say. This teaching is usually accompanied by amazing stories. (Like a lot of teaching! )
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I've heard it taught that if you are poor, you may be poor because you don't tithe. Further, if you start tithing, even if you think you can't afford it, God will bless you. "You can't afford not to tithe!" they like to say. This teaching is usually accompanied by amazing stories. (Like a lot of teaching! )
If all that they say was true about tithing... Christians who tithe would be among the most wealthy and prosperous people on earth. But, if memory serves me correctly, a report a couple years back showed how those most dedicated to tithing are on average ranging middle class to poverty level. It seems that those who are most in need fall prey to this idea because they desire God to bless them and lift them out of poverty.
Why didn't the Holy Ghost include tithing in the list of requirements of Gentile believers?
Acts15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Why didn't the Holy Ghost include tithing in the list of requirements of Gentile believers?
Or ANY Apostle or NT writer for that matter.
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