Apostolic but not Oneness?

[obriencp]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Smart man. God would not want you to be any other way. ALWAYS keep that attitude on EVERY doctrine. That's why many of us on here are outcasts. We do not rebel, but we reserve the right to prayerfully come to our own conclusions about things. That is just too much for some pastors to tolerate.

Great Post!

[Lafon]

When God "commissioned" Moses to return to Egypt to confront Pharaoh (c. BC 1491), and demand that he release His chosen people of Israel from bondage, allowing them to depart from Egypt, Moses said unto God, "Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, 'The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name?' What shall I say unto them?"

God answered Moses, saying, "I AM That I AM:" and He said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you" (see Exodus 3:13-14).

About 1,523 years later, when responding to the Jews, who failed to comprehend the meaning of Jesus' statement wherein He said to them, "I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come," after which they wondered aloud if He would kill himself Him, we find that it is written our Lord Jesus Christ said to them, "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" (see John 8:21-24).

We also find it written in John 13:18-20, that at that event which is commonly called "The Last Supper," following His washing of the disciple's feet, once again our Lord identified Himself as "I AM he," that is, the visible, human manifestation of that same Almighty God who appeared to Moses and commanded him to return to Egypt which we read about in Exodus 3:13-14.

So, based solely upon these scriptural passages, which clearly indicate that the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the "Son of man," that is, He is the human manifestation of the Almighty I AM in a physical human body (see II Corinthians 2:19); and should one who has is a recipient of the baptism of the Spirit and has been immersed in the waters of baptism "in His name," ever be persuaded to entertain doubts concerning what we commonly know as the Oneness of God, then I am persuaded to believe that such "doubts" are a subtle, deceitful ploy of the enemy to cause that one to deny the One True God.

And what did Christ Jesus admonish the Jews concerning those who would doubt or fail to believe His true identity - "that ye shall die in your sins: FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins"? And we know the eternal fate of ALL those who do so will "die in their sins," do we not?

Just something I think we must all think about ...

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Lafon

When God "commissioned" Moses to return to Egypt to confront Pharaoh (c. BC 1491), and demand that he release His chosen people of Israel from bondage, allowing them to depart from Egypt, Moses said unto God, "Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, 'The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name?' What shall I say unto them?"

God answered Moses, saying, "I AM That I AM:" and He said, "Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you" (see Exodus 3:13-14).

About 1,523 years later, when responding to the Jews, who failed to comprehend the meaning of Jesus' statement wherein He said to them, "I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come," after which they wondered aloud if He would kill himself Him, we find that it is written our Lord Jesus Christ said to them, "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" (see John 8:21-24).

We also find it written in John 13:18-20, that at that event which is commonly called "The Last Supper," following His washing of the disciple's feet, once again our Lord identified Himself as "I AM he," that is, the visible, human manifestation of that same Almighty God who appeared to Moses and commanded him to return to Egypt which we read about in Exodus 3:13-14.

So, based solely upon these scriptural passages, which clearly indicate that the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the "Son of man," that is, He is the human manifestation of the Almighty I AM in a physical human body (see II Corinthians 2:19); and should one who has is a recipient of the baptism of the Spirit and has been immersed in the waters of baptism "in His name," ever be persuaded to entertain doubts concerning what we commonly know as the Oneness of God, then I am persuaded to believe that such "doubts" are a subtle, deceitful ploy of the enemy to cause that one to deny the One True God.

And what did Christ Jesus admonish the Jews concerning those who would doubt or fail to believe His true identity - "that ye shall die in your sins: FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins"? And we know the eternal fate of ALL those who do so will "die in their sins," do we not?

Just something I think we must all think about ...

I agree. We must be correct in knowing who Jesus Christ is. He made it a salvation issue. Oneness has all but forsaken its most glorious truth.

I did a poll on THIS Forum a few years ago. The MAJORITY do not believe Jesus is the Father as well as the Son.

[good samaritan]

I believe Jesus is the Father in the son.

[good samaritan]

When Jesus died on the cross did God die?

[good samaritan]

I believe in the oneness of God, but I feel like sometimes we could do a better job as oneness apostolics to explain it. We must recognize the humanity side also when we explain. The scriptures never say God the son. Which that should clue trinitarians in.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I believe in the oneness of God, but I feel like sometimes we could do a better job as oneness apostolics to explain it. We must recognize the humanity side also when we explain. The scriptures never say God the son. Which that should clue trinitarians in.

This I absolutely concur with. I've never been entirely comfortable with some people's usage of trinitarian language to try and explain oneness.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jito463

This I absolutely concur with. I've never been entirely comfortable with some people's usage of trinitarian language to try and explain oneness.

Like what?

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Personally, I would not recommend that. It's more Apologetic than Academic.

Well, I did say it wasn't without some flaws, nevertheless it does have some good points.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Like what?

The constant need to fall back on the trinitarian "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" dynamic. I'm not uncomfortable with the terms themselves, as they are Biblical, but with the seemingly constant need to use them to define God just as the trinitarians do, rather than use less ambiguous terms that more accurately define what we believe.

Focusing on trinitarian terminology to define God can be confusing to new converts. We should be comfortable enough in our understanding of God to not have to fall on another beliefs terminology to define Him to others.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jito463

We should be comfortable enough in our understanding of God to not have to fall on another beliefs terminology to define Him to others.

Right. Use biblcal terms ONLY.