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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
Me thinks you need to go back two verses take a notice that in 1Th 4:15 it says "the coming of the Lord" there is no need to add the word rapture in anywhere here. |
Once again I did NOT add a word there nor did I say the word Rapture was there
That is TWICE you did that. Next time I have to call a spade a spade so please don't.
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There are plenty of places where it says "coming of the Lord" not one single place in the scriptures where it says the "rapture".
The word "rapture" is loaded with all kinds of non-biblical concepts.
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You didn't deal honestly with a single thing I posted. All you did was obfuscate some lie that I said the word rapture was there.
I challenge you to actually deal with what I have said so far rather than dealing with strawman arguments
One more thing, the theme is the resurrection of the dead. You'll notice that so far all you have done is partially quote one verse and then pontificate about the word rapture rather than deal with what I have posted and that I have dealt with not just one out of context verse
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you ignorant, brothers,
concerning those who are asleep, that you be not grieved, even as others who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that
Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him all those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.
"fallen asleep" is an idiom for the dead
Paul specifically says He will bring WITH Him those that have died.. WITH HIM.
THEN Paul addresses those still alive when this event happens
1Th 4:15 For we say this to you by the Word of the Lord, that
we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.
Then Paul explains what will happen
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first.
the Lord will descend and then the dead will rise FIRST..that word FIRST implies another thing will happen next
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.
Then Paul explains those still alive and who remain will be caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds...IN THE CLOUDS to meet the Lord IN THE AIR. IN THE AIR
That is what the word "rapture" refers to. Nothing more and nothing less. The fact you try to attach other things to it is a strawman argument. The fact you try portray my responses as saying the word rapture was used in the bible is another strawman argument..a dishonest one
Please stop doing that
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