Apostolics and Secular Music

[n david]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

You are right, you only made a CLAIM.

Which is backed by biographies written of Crosby and the Booths, or did you read that part?

One biography of Fanny Crosby (ISBN 1-55748-731-6) adds this tidbit:

"By the early 1870s, she was well on her way to becoming the queen of hymn writers. Fanny often matched her poems to familiar tunes. An example is "We Thank Thee, Our Father," written to the melody of the famous "Adeste Fidelis." She set poems to Scottish and Welsh airs and used tunes by Stephen Foster."

In the biography, "William and Catherine Booth: Founders of the Salvation Army," by Helen K. Hosier, it states the following:

"Satan would have to be battled within his own strongholds, and any means was justifiable, William decided, if it would attract sinners to listen to the message of salvation ... Thus it was that as the work grew, the music and street parades attracted increasing crowds of people who scorned the regular churches. 'Why should the devil have all the best tunes?' William replied when chided for appropriating music of popular tunes for his hymns ... "

[Miss Scarlett]

http://rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psyc...km/satanic.htm

[n david]

http://dysfunctionalparrot.com/god/christian-rock/

Great stuff.

Do a google search of "Christian Rock Evil" and wow, the wing-nuts really start flying out the hardware store. So much so that I have to wonder, "have these people even listened to any?" I'm immediately reminded of John Lithgow's character in Footloose who felt every evil impulse in the young was the fault of the "devil's music."

Music is like an old sweater. It's broken in, cozy, and there's no way we want to trade it in for a new scratchy one off the rack. While we all have our preferences, it's rather egocentric to conclude that our music is the only appropriate expression of glory to our creator. Sometimes people just want to buy a new sweater. Hey, I sometimes like a quiet hymn too. But I sometimes like to grab my Stratocaster and crank out some Lincoln Brewster with the volume turned up to 11.

If loud beats and dancing are the signs of evil, then we better dig up King David, roundhouse kick his remains and throw him back in the hole. The King of Rock had nothing on the King of Israel. The energy and beat of middle-eastern music can make a Nirvana mosh-pit look like an evening playing Dutch Blitz with your grandma. David danced with a towel around his waist in the streets with such energy that his own wife was disgusted at him.

Much like "King James Onlyism," we can easily run the risk of associating one style of music with holiness and condemning the expression of the next generation simply because we equate our personal comfort level as a seal of approval from God. For the sake of the greater body of believers we need to accept that not everyone can run at the same speed.

[n david]

Bottom line, as long as it's to bring glory to God, there is nothing wrong with various genres of Christian music.

What we're really discussing are personal preferences, not Biblical mandates. The music my parents listened to in church was likely viewed as rebellious to their parents; and likewise my Christian music was indeed viewed as rebellious to them. And I'm sure the music my daughter listens to, when she gets older, will be something I'll probably hate.

Give me Amazing Grace with a pipe organ, or the same song with an electric guitar and the lyrics are still the same. Drop a beat and put a spin on it with some rhymes and it's still an incredible song.

The author of the article I posted above this hit the nail on the head...this argument is like those who claim the King James version of the Bible is the only true version everyone should read.

[houston]

Would Eastman like to post examples of acceptable music?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by n david

Bottom line, as long as it's to bring glory to God, there is nothing wrong with various genres of Christian music.

What we're really discussing are personal preferences, not Biblical mandates. The music my parents listened to in church was likely viewed as rebellious to their parents; and likewise my Christian music was indeed viewed as rebellious to them. And I'm sure the music my daughter listens to, when she gets older, will be something I'll probably hate.

Give me Amazing Grace with a pipe organ, or the same song with an electric guitar and the lyrics are still the same. Drop a beat and put a spin on it with some rhymes and it's still an incredible song.

The author of the article I posted above this hit the nail on the head...this argument is like those who claim the King James version of the Bible is the only true version everyone should read.

Bottom line you say???????? Most Christian Rock doesn't glorify God, it glorifies man as I have many times pointed out. NEXT!!!

[n david]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Bottom line you say???????? Most Christian Rock doesn't glorify God, it glorifies man as I have many times pointed out. NEXT!!!

Name one Christian rock song which does what you claim.

[Pendragon]

Originally Posted by houston

Would Eastman like to post examples of acceptable music?

It won't happen, because subconsciously he knows he probably isn't even living up to his own standards. This troll is your typical ultra-conservative who sets impossible standards rooted in obscure, handed-down traditions and erroneous interpretation of scripture. To live this way you must blind yourself to your own failings. I grew up in a church full of this kind of thing. They spout a lot of scripture but 'rightly dividing the Word' and 'searching the scriptures daily to see if these things are so' is not as important as following a man who they assume is rightly dividing the Word. It's a culture of preacher-worship and there is no love of Truth.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by houston

Would Eastman like to post examples of acceptable music?

I really enjoy posting songs that I like.

David And The Giants

[Michael The Disciple]

My Apostolic Friends,

I guarantee this song will be sung in Heaven! Is it "Charismatic" or is is "secular"? It is taken from the prophetic book of Revelation.

The Song Of Moses And The Lamb