Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think it's disgusting. But it was a facet of Bedouin culture. Much of the Quran is based on Bedouin culture.

to that i would agree, but then, we are not ancient Bedouin; no doubt they would find many of our customs at least as disgusting.

[Abiding Now]

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

Is it okay for Christian missionaries to lie to foreign governments about their reasons for visiting?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

Is it OK for a renowned Pentecostal preacher to lie about a Muslim to whip up the crowd for an alter call? Based on the Bible: Sin or not a sin?

Can a bold-faced, easily exposed lie from a church pulpit originate from a man truly ordained of God?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

Let's see

Originally Posted by jfrog

Is it okay for Christian missionaries to lie to foreign governments about their reasons for visiting?

Nyes

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Is it OK for a renowned Pentecostal preacher to lie about a Muslim to whip up the crowd for an alter call? Based on the Bible: Sin or not a sin?

Can a bold-faced, easily exposed lie from a church pulpit originate from a man truly ordained of God?

No, but can you answer the original question now?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Let's see


Nyes

No, but can you answer the original question now?

Your turn. No, not a sin nor no, cannot originate from God even though it is through a highly respected and supported UPC minister?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Is it ok for a muslim to lie when he/she takes an oath to become a US citizen?

Still no answer....

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Still no answer....

Seriously Prax? This again?

Post 348:

Answer to the original question is no, it is not OK for a Muslim to lie when taking the oath of US citizenship.

"...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

Post 353 was addressed to the last guy who implied that the question wasn't answered. This must be a really (really really) big deal here but interrogation to the answer you want to hear ain't exactly a new church practice is it. LOL

Answer to the original question is no, it is not OK for a Muslim to lie when taking the oath of US citizenship.

"...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

Again:

Answer to the original question is no, it is not OK for a Muslim to lie when taking the oath of US citizenship.

"...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."


When you get time maybe you could answer this one?

Post 349:

Your turn. No, not a sin nor no, cannot originate from God even though it is through a highly respected and supported UPC minister?

Still no answer. Unlike the above, it's no big deal to me if you do not.

[Abiding Now]

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Hmmmm... That's the best answer you have for a muslim lying while taking the oath to become an American citizen is the UPC has liars? My Mom never would accept "but Mom everyone else is doing it". Here's the oath which part would you lie about?

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

That's It! I could not take that oath: and I believe that was my last chance to
become President of the United States.