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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Your beautiful and sacred version of Biblical marriage is defined as a contract between who again? There is actual law written to cover more than "one man and one woman" marriages.
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Thank you for once again demonstrating
2 Tim. 3:7 is relevant today.
That’s right! The beautiful and sacred version of Biblical marriage is defined as Jesus said:
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Mat 19:4 KJV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
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Mat 19:5 KJV) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
The created order of marriage is between one man and one woman. A single man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife. Please note the singular wife.
Were the Jews hard hearted? They sure were.
Did Moses (not God) allow them things out of that created order? He sure did.
BTW how many wives and concubines did your prophet have?
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
The “little one’s” here were taken as captives and later in life, when they reached the age for entering into covenants, they were probably married into Judaism.
In your "probably" dreams. Hebrew scholars abound even on the internet. The interpretation of which one matches yours?
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I don’t look to Rabbi’s for divine inspiration. The Bible is in perfect harmony with itself. It needs no other standard. The Bible is clear that marriage is between a single man and a single woman. This is God’s created order. Also, because marriage is a legal covenant between that man and woman they must be of an age to enter into that legal covenant. A perfect harmony exists.
You, on the other hand, prefer to torture the text to make it say what you want to say in order to justify the example of your miserable prophet. Something you even admit is “distasteful”. How ludicrous is your position!
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Maybe this one does. Look at this. A beautiful example of an upstanding biblical marriage by covenant between two (were you going to say <cough>lie<cough> next that both people must consent to this contract) people.
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Another in the long list of citation failures and amateurish interpretations to torture the text to make it say what you want instead of what it clearly states – eisegesis once again. LOL!
One of the first principles of hermeneutics is context. You forgot:
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Deu 22:25 KJV) But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
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Deu 22:26 KJV) But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
Here is a clear case of forced rape. The woman is freed while the man forfeits his life.
Now in islam a woman is only considered half a person legally. If and when she is raped she must present to the court four male witnesses that state she was raped. Otherwise, she is admitting to adultery and is murdered. Thus, in islam women are raped and forced to keep their mouths shut because of the lack of male witnesses.
Testimony of a woman before a judge is worth half that of a man: “And get two witnesses, not of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose for witnesses.” (Q 2:282)
Women are to receive just one half the inheritance of a male: “Allah thus directs you as regards your children’s inheritance: to the male, a portion equal to that of two females….” (Q 4:11)
Under shariah, to bring a claim of rape, a Muslim woman must present
four male Muslim witnesses in good standing. Islam thus places the burden of avoiding illicit sexual encounters entirely on the woman. In effect, under shariah, women who bring a claim of rape without being able to produce the requisite four male Muslim witnesses are admitting to having had illicit sex. If she or the man is married, this amounts to an admission of adultery. The following Quranic passages, while explicitly applying to men are cited by shariah authorities and judges in adjudicating rape cases: “And those who accuse free women then do not bring
four witnesses (to adultery), flog them...” Q 24:4) “Why did they not bring
four witnesses to prove it? When they have not brought the witnesses, such men, in the sight of Allah, stand forth themselves as liars!” (Q 24:13)
Here is more documentation on islam:
Muslim men are given permission by Allah to commit marital rape, as they please: “
Your wives are as a tilth unto you, so approach your tilth when or how ye will….” (Q 2: 223)
Muslim men are permitted to marry up to four wives and to keep concubines in any number: “…
Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one, or a captive that your right hands possess…” (Q 4:3)
Muslim men are given permission by Allah in the Quran to beat their wives: “As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them first, next refuse to share their beds, and last,
beat them.” (Q 4:34)
Great religion you have there. Of course you’re a man…
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Ask yourself: How are those men who were told to take pre-pubescent girls for themselves supposed to know who was or was not a virgin?
Which one of us practices a religion of lies again? There are only two sources of code that you have in your bible that are directly attributed to God (capitalizations and everything woohoo THUS SAITH and ho hum) and this is from one of those codes. The other source that you have is the teaching of Jesus which is silent on this issue.
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To answer your question about how they knew prepubescent girls were not “active” that’s easy. Your perverted prophet had not yet come upon the stage of history to codify it in law and bless it through his deity. Common sense would tell them that a 6 year old girl was not marriageable age.
Who practices a religion of lies? That’s easy as well. You do.
“He who makes peace between the people by
inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” (Bukhari vol. 3:857 p.533)
Neither the Bible nor Jesus are silent on the issue. It is firmly established and seen by any intellectually honest person. Jesus made it clear that marriage is between a single man and a single woman (Mtt. 19).
Oh well, I suppose you can continue to “invent” things to justify yourself rather than accept the truth.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
(Php 4:8) Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.
Actually did not come (directly) from God but though you revere it more than the passages that did you seem to have difficulty practicing it. I do not revere it but you cheerfully sent it 12,000 miles to suggest that I practice it too.
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Oh no, I did not send it 12,000 miles suggesting you practice it. It’s very evident you don’t! Thank you for your affirmation that you do not think on things that are true, honorable, just, pure, lovely or commendable. Although it was already self evident.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Though you feel that though I should, you seem to believe that you are exempt and have replaced all of that good stuff with a morbid, unhealthy, suspicious fascination with sex and underage girls. In this please join the line with your hypocritical colleagues who will point out the conditions for lying in Islam as proof that Islam is of the devil while clapping and cheering your leadership for lying about a Muslim from his "anointed" pulpit.
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ROTFL! You are now “projecting”… LOL!
Here this might help you:
http://psychology.about.com/od/theor...ensemech_7.htm
There is no suspicion or fascination about anything Islamic. It is a fact that islam has made marriages to prepubescent girls part of its doctrines and tenets. It’s considered a “blessing” for Mohammedans to emulate Muhammad. The sick fascination with this subject lands squarely with Mohammedans. That would include all who try to justify the act.
Ibn ‘Abd al..Barr (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The scholars are unanimously agreed that the father may arrange a marriage for his young daughter without consulting her. The messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married Aa’ishah when
she was six years old.
As the saying goes, that dog don’t hunt.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
The Biblical marriage is a covenant relationship between one man and one woman.
That is a lie. Fill in the blank: That statement makes me a _______.
Then go read Rev 21:8
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As has been pointed out, Jesus referenced the created order (Mtt. 19) which references the God ordained family to be between one man and one woman. So simple even a cave man can understand it. However, there are those who prefer to ignore facts and
invent things that are not there to justify themselves and worse, their religious ideology.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things
You impose that on me but do not practice it. Fill in the blank: That makes me a __________.
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Oh it is no imposition at all upon you. You have clearly stated that you don’t care about this. BTW that was self evident.
Here's the oath which part would you lie about?
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