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Old 10-26-2014, 04:19 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe

The spirit within Jesus was the Father, the God of the OT (John 14:10) and the flesh that the Spirit (Father) dwelled in came from Mary's womb (Gal. 4:4)

Joh_14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
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Or it's being better explained/defended in a more coherent manner
From whats being said here I totally disagree. It was pretty coherent when I came into it in 1980. All I here from many now is God is spirit. The spirit of God is in the man Jesus.

Tho that is true its just a snippet and would not even put a dent in Trinitarian armor.
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Old 10-26-2014, 05:53 PM
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Yes "God died" because he who died for us is God Almighty.

No he did not die AS God, he died AS MAN. But that man who died is the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father.


God died?
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From whats being said here I totally disagree. It was pretty coherent when I came into it in 1980. All I here from many now is God is spirit. The spirit of God is in the man Jesus.

Tho that is true its just a snippet and would not even put a dent in Trinitarian armor.
"Tho that is true its just a snippet and would not even put a dent in trinitarian armor". The Godhead really is just that simple. Trinitarians and some Apostolics might want to make it complex and hard to understand, but Paul said it was "clearly understood".

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
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God never died.next question is God a man?
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Does God have a mother? The flesh of Christ did.
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The flesh of Christ?


Just say Jesus, okay bro.


Jesus was a boy that had a mother. She even had to cut his placenta off at birth, she changed his diaper, he became a adolescent, a teenager and finally a man......

Bro. Sean, how dare you...thats sacriledge!...LOL
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God died?
The wise Christian admits it was God that died! Why? For if God did not die then that which died was not God. That which died was Jesus.
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I don't believe that. I don't believe God shape shifted into a rock.

It was a real actual rock
I believe it was a real rock too. But you bring up a good point. Would God manifesting in an actual rock be a kind of theophany?
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I am using the word "Oneness" as an appellation for a distinct theological position, not as an adjective describing the relationship of Father and Son within the Scriptures.

Oneness, in this way, is descriptive, just like Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Unitarian, and etc. is descriptive of an overall theological position.

These words have traditional, and traditionally understood meanings. Oneness as a theological position, has universally and traditionally always asserted that Jesus is the Father and the Son.

Anyone who doesn't believe that, should not use the term Oneness to describe themselves.
Hmmm...

That Jesus had a complete human nature and complete divine nature at the same time is the teaching of Scripture, but we cannot separate these two natures in His earthly life. It is apparent that Jesus had a human will, mind, spirit, soul, and body, but it is equally apparent that He had the fullness of the Godhead resident in that body. From our finite view, His human spirit and His divine Spirit were inseparable.

The divine Spirit could be separated from the human body by death, but His humanity was more than a human body – the shell of a human – with God inside. He was a human in body, soul, and spirit with the fullness of the Spirit of God dwelling in that body, soul, and spirit. Jesus differed from an ordinary human (who can be filled with the Spirit of God) in that He had all of God’s nature within Him. He possessed the unlimited power, authority, and character of God. Furthermore, in contrast to a born-again, Spirit-filled human, the Spirit of God was inextricably, and inseparably joined with the humanity of Jesus.

The humanity of Christ prayed, cried, learned obedience, and suffered. The divine nature was in control and God was faithful to His own plan, but the human nature had to obtain help from the Spirit and, had to learn obedience to the divine plan. Surely all these verses of Scripture show that Jesus was fully human – that He had every attribute of humanity except the sinful nature inherited from the Fall. If we deny the humanity of Jesus, we encounter a problem with the conception of redemption and atonement. Not being fully human, could His sacrifice be sufficient to redeem mankind? Could He really be a true substitute for us in death? Could He truly qualify as our kinsman redeemer?

As it relates to pre-existence…

The Word or Logos can mean the plan or thought as it existed in the mind of God. This thought was a predestined plan – an absolutely certain future event, - and therefore it had a reality attached to it that no human thought could ever have. The Word can also mean the plan or thought of God expressed in the flesh, that is in the Son.

This explanation isn't Oneness???

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