Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Thanks for clarify Votivesoul. Love you bro.

What if I told you that every statement listed below (which I've posted in previous posts) were directly taken from, THE ONENESS OF GOD, by Rev. David K. Bernard, chapter 5, The Son of God... and is mandatory reading for all UPCI ministers?

Would they be "traditional Oneness" understandings then??? LOL!

"That Jesus had a complete human nature and complete divine nature at the same time is the teaching of Scripture, but we cannot separate these two natures in His earthly life. It is apparent that Jesus had a human will, mind, spirit, soul, and body, but it is equally apparent that He had the fullness of the Godhead resident in that body. From our finite view, His human spirit and His divine Spirit were inseparable." - Rev. David K. Bernard

"The divine Spirit could be separated from the human body by death, but His humanity was more than a human body – the shell of a human – with God inside. He was a human in body, soul, and spirit with the fullness of the Spirit of God dwelling in that body, soul, and spirit. Jesus differed from an ordinary human (who can be filled with the Spirit of God) in that He had all of God’s nature within Him. He possessed the unlimited power, authority, and character of God. Furthermore, in contrast to a born-again, Spirit-filled human, the Spirit of God was inextricably, and inseparably joined with the humanity of Jesus." - Rev. David K. Bernard

"The humanity of Christ prayed, cried, learned obedience, and suffered. The divine nature was in control and God was faithful to His own plan, but the human nature had to obtain help from the Spirit and, had to learn obedience to the divine plan. Surely all these verses of Scripture show that Jesus was fully human – that He had every attribute of humanity except the sinful nature inherited from the Fall. If we deny the humanity of Jesus, we encounter a problem with the conception of redemption and atonement. Not being fully human, could His sacrifice be sufficient to redeem mankind? Could He really be a true substitute for us in death? Could He truly qualify as our kinsman redeemer?" - Rev. David K. Bernard

"The Word or Logos can mean the plan or thought as it existed in the mind of God. This thought was a predestined plan – an absolutely certain future event, - and therefore it had a reality attached to it that no human thought could ever have. The Word can also mean the plan or thought of God expressed in the flesh, that is in the Son." - Rev. David K. Bernard

"The deity in the Son is the Father, we do believe that the Father is in the Son (John 14:10). Since Jesus is the name of the Son of God, both as to His deity as Father and as to His humanity as Son, it is the name of both the Father and the Son." - Rev. David K. Bernard

I've read that book twice or thrice, but it's been awhile. The above may be direct quotes. If so, I'll give it to you that yes, it is traditional Oneness, BUT only as it relates to the concept of Jesus as the Son of God, since the above quotes, if what you say is true (that these quotes came from that part of the book) are only about the Sonship of Christ.

So the above quotes don't paint the full picture of the "traditional Oneness" view, especially as is relates to Jesus being the Father.