Mark of the beast idea - Page 20

mfblume · #**191** 10-29-2014, 08:38 AM

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I get asked these things, explain them, and no response is given to refute them. What is it here? You ask, I answer. I get no response in turn, and you point to something else? Learn how to discuss, folks. Phew. lol

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There is no rule of interpretation laid out in the bible. All that we have is the first verse's information saying the book is SIGNIFYING a message. That means it is symbolic. Literalists obviously ignore that verse, though.

When there is no rule in the book itself, with just a note of symbolism, we have to determine how to interpret those symbols correctly. The interpretations are not up for grabs. There has to be a systematic approach. Looking to the rest of prophetic scripture, we find apocalyptic language used with imagery over and over again. Read 2 Sam 22 for a very good example. So many things were said by David that cannot be taken literally. The same is found throughout the minor prophets. A sword is said to be made fat from consuming the blood of its victims in Isa 34:6, when swords neither have mouths or stomachs.

The only rule that makes the most sense is to let the bible interpret itself. How can it do that? Revelation has some obvious patterns that everyone sees such as the LAMB in Rev who is only known to be Jesus because of the Passover references in it's blood redeeming us, as the passover lamb's blood redeemed the firstborn in Egypt. And since John called Jesus the Lamb who takes the sins of the world, we find the way Revelation is understood is by looking for the same symbol elsewhere in scripture.

Rev 5 does not say the Lamb is Jesus. Jesus' name is not even mentioned in that chapter. how do we know it's Jesus? By the understanding of Christ and the passover lamb that is found elsewhere.

So, the same method is obviously to be used for the rest of the Revelation. In that manner, it is self-evident.

Sean · #**192** 10-29-2014, 08:40 AM

Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Sean · #**193** 10-29-2014, 08:43 AM

Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

mfblume · #**194** 10-29-2014, 08:45 AM

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Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

You are so quick to forget anything anyone ever said to you. lol

Wow.

Sean, I tell you what. You show me when it happened in historical terms in history that God came riding on chariots of Cherubims and was seen on the wings of the wind, way back when David said it occurred in 2 Samuel 22, and when the sword of the Lord had a mouth that ate and swallowed blood and made itself obese in Isaiah 34:6, and I will show you when the events you question took place historically. Deal?

Sean · #**195** 10-29-2014, 08:46 AM

Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Sean · #**196** 10-29-2014, 08:49 AM

Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Sean · #**197** 10-29-2014, 08:52 AM

Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Sean · #**198** 10-29-2014, 08:54 AM

Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Sean · #**199** 10-29-2014, 08:55 AM

Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

mfblume · #**200** 10-29-2014, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Can someone show me when this happened in historical times? Were the Roman armies subject to this according to history?

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Why are you not answering me? As soon as I saw your posts of these issues, I responded with a request to balance the issue out. You said nothing? In the meantime I can ask things, too.

When did this happen?

Gen 37:7 KJV For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.

It's a dream similar to the visions John saw. You seem to demand a literal fulfillment of such things. So when did this happen, Sean? Or are you going to keep ignoring what I said?