Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus had a distinct human body, human soul (will, reason, emotion), and human spirit (breath of life, living essence).

I don't think anyone would disagree that Jesus had a human body. However, here is a Scripture for support:

Colossians 1:21-22 (KJV)
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Jesus had a distinct human soul (will, reason/knowing/thoughts, emotion):

Luke 22:42 (KJV)
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Mark 13:32 (KJV)
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

John 11:35 (KJV)
Jesus wept.

Matthew 9:36 (KJV)
But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.

John 14:31 (KJV)
But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

Jesus had a distinct human spirit (breath of life, living essence)

Luke 23:46 (KJV)
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus was a complete human being in union with God through mutual indwelling. God permeated every aspect of Christ and through this union of human body, soul, and spirit with God... they partook in one another's very nature and identity. Christ describes this "oneness" as a mutual indwelling:

John 10:38 (KJV)
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Again, please note... There are plenty of ways in the ancient language wherein Jesus could have said, "I am the Father and the Father is me." However, this is NOT what Jesus says. Jesus says, "the Father is IN me, and I IN him". This doesn't speak of "sameness"... it draws a clear distinction through personal pronouns and uses terms that clearly denote "mutual indwelling".

We do well to speak in terms that Jesus used. The Father was in the Son and the Son in the Father.

If it walks and quacks like a duck then it's a duck. Aquila you are espousing a view that by itself doesn't say Jesus is God. Everything you say of Jesus testifies that you believe he is just a man, albeit a "special" man but just a man nonetheless.

Sure you can tack on the end of such statements that Jesus is God, but what you are really saying at that point is that being God doesn't require Jesus to actually be God himself. Your explanation leads to more contradictions than it answers IMO.