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Old 11-03-2014, 01:38 AM
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Hebrews 9:26 KJV

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

How does him putting away or sin come into play? Side note: says he came at the end if the world.
When a person repents and believes his sacrifice as the lamb of God comes into play. They enter Covenant with him. He is their high priest and mediator.

Apostle John shows how it works generally speaking.

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

We confess he forgives.

AND YET something else from the book of Hebrews is ALSO in play.

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb. 10:26-27

So while the sacrifice of Christ perfects forever them who are sanctified, for those who despise the grace of God and continue sinning it is no more of effect.

This is why the Lord and Savior gives such strict warnings to the believers in Sardis that had defiled their garments. He was giving them a chance to repent and make their works perfect or......he says he will blot them out of the book of life.
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Old 11-03-2014, 01:46 AM
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I never heard anyone preach to continue in sin.
No you probably wont.

Here's the kicker tho. They dont tell you to keep sinning BUT they tell you you will enter Gods Heavenly Kingdom even tho you do.

I dont think many would say they have never heard THAT taught.

I have heard it taught by 95% of all believers including ministers.
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Old 11-03-2014, 04:49 AM
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Agreed with this addition. When we are born again Christ gives us his righteousness. Its as if (spiritually) he gives us a new garment of purity. As we walk along if we would commit a sin a spot comes up on our garment.

If we repent it goes away washed by the blood of Christ. If one does not repent it stains the garment and remains unless and until the sin is repented of.

The norm should be our garment is unspotted from the world. If one defiles their garment as the Lord said in Rev. 3:3-6

3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

According to verse 4 and 5 he is in danger of having his name blotted out of the book of life. If he repents and overcomes (makes his works perfect) he is restored to perfection his garment unspotted again.
The holiness of God within will always make a Christian feel uncomfortable in sin and beckon them to repent. That's why I question these who claim salvation but show no hesitation to sin.
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The holiness of God within will always make a Christian feel uncomfortable in sin and beckon them to repent. That's why I question these who claim salvation but show no hesitation to sin.
Yeah. If you can sin comfortably, there are major problems. A new convert asked wigglesworth if had to stop smoking and drinking now that he was saved, he answered with "smoke and drink as much as you want if you can"
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When a person repents and believes his sacrifice as the lamb of God comes into play. They enter Covenant with him. He is their high priest and mediator.

Apostle John shows how it works generally speaking.

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

We confess he forgives.

AND YET something else from the book of Hebrews is ALSO in play.

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb. 10:26-27

So while the sacrifice of Christ perfects forever them who are sanctified, for those who despise the grace of God and continue sinning it is no more of effect.

This is why the Lord and Savior gives such strict warnings to the believers in Sardis that had defiled their garments. He was giving them a chance to repent and make their works perfect or......he says he will blot them out of the book of life.

Hebrews 10 is about leaving Christ and drawing back to law losing salvation and suffering the coming destruction.

Why would writer say he put away sin? What did that mean?
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Hebrews 10 is about leaving Christ and drawing back to law losing salvation and suffering the coming destruction.

Why would writer say he put away sin? What did that mean?
Hebrews 10 is applicable for any Messianic believer. I already showed you how Yeshua put away sin. He forgives it. Its simple enough.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:36 AM
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Re: The Standard By Which We Will Be Judged

So my point in this thread is to help anyone reading to see the truth about how they will be judged. It may cause fear to some. Thats good. If they wake up and forsake the false Evangelical teaching that Adonai only sees the blood of Yeshua and not their personal sins they have a chance.

Remember this is the standard for every Christian.

Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. Matt:5:48

This may open a new perspective for some PTL!
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Hebrews 10 is about leaving Christ and drawing back to law losing salvation and suffering the coming destruction.

Why would writer say he put away sin? What did that mean?
So maybe the part about him putting away sin is ALSO just for the Jews who lived back then?
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Hebrews 10 is applicable for any Messianic believer. I already showed you how Yeshua put away sin. He forgives it. Its simple enough.
It says he put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Yes. Hebrews ten is applicable, if one leaves the faith they leave the righteousness of Christ to go back to being a sinner.


Colossians 1:20-23 KJV

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


Reconciled, blameless, holy "if you continue in the faith"
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So maybe the part about him putting away sin is ALSO just for the Jews who lived back then?
Read the whole chapter to see the point.
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