The Standard By Which We Will Be Judged

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Hebrews 10:14 KJV

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


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When a person repents and believes his sacrifice as the lamb of God comes into play. They enter Covenant with him. He is their high priest and mediator.

Apostle John shows how it works generally speaking.

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

We confess he forgives.

AND YET something else from the book of Hebrews is ALSO in play.

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb. 10:26-27

So while the sacrifice of Christ perfects forever them who are sanctified, for those who despise the grace of God and continue sinning it is no more of effect.

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb. 10:29-31

This is why the Lord and Savior gives such strict warnings to the believers in Sardis that had defiled their garments. He was giving them a chance to repent and make their works perfect or......he says he will blot them out of the book of life.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Any Christian who has no sin in their life is perfect toward God. Any believer who has sin in their life is not perfect before him.

There is willful sin [Judas] and there is a moment of sin [Peter]. Paul mentioned his struggle in doing what's right.

Romans 7:18-20King James Version (KJV)

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

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To me it's about having a repentant heart. Practicing sin vs a moment of sin.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rudy

There is willful sin [Judas] and there is a moment of sin [Peter]. Paul mentioned his struggle in doing what's right.

Romans 7:18-20King James Version (KJV)

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

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To me it's about having a repentant heart. Practicing sin vs a moment of sin.

Bro., Paul did not say what you think he did. That is a common misconception. Paul wrote in a style of putting himself in the place of someone who tried to serve God in oldness of the letter and not newness of the Spirit, not from his own perspective in reality. It's a writing style.

But Paul did not have that struggle when he wrote Romans. We know that because when he uttered a cry of desperation in verse 24, he answered his own cry in verse 25 and Romans 8:1.

Who will deliver him? He thanked God that God will. How? Through Jesus Christ which made us dead to the law according to Romans 7:4 through the body of Christ. And then he sums it up in the rest of verse 25 by saying we want to serve God and try to do it in our minds -- our minds are in perfect agreement with serving God. But the reason we fail is because we are trying to do it in oldness of the letter which he called using the flesh, which is what you actually read in vv 18-20. So, when we will to serve God with our minds, but the flesh instead is utilized we instead fail as the verse you pointed out describes.

So, Rom 8:1 says to stop walking after that flesh and serving God in that manner, and there is no condemnation! No desperation we read about in the verses you quoted. Paul would not have said that if he continually struggled. You just misread those words and did not notice that Paul was not describing his actual state, but speaking from the perspective of someone who did not know how to properly serve God in newness of spirit that he mentioned in 7:6..

[Aquila]

When we stand before God every thought, word, deed, and intent will be judged as to if it demonstrates a love for God and a love for others.

If we walk in the Spirit, bearing the fruit of love, we will be found to be "perfect" in Christ Jesus, His perfection being our own.

[houston]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Bro., Paul did not say what you think he did. That is a common misconception. Paul wrote in a style of putting himself in the place of someone who tried to serve God in oldness of the letter and not newness of the Spirit, not from his own perspective in reality. It's a writing style. But Paul did not have that struggle when he wrote Romans. We know that because when he uttered a cry of desperation in verse 24, he answered his own cry in verse 25 and Romans 8:1. Who will deliver him? He thanked God that God will. How? Through Jesus Christ which made us dead to the law according to Romans 7:4 through the body of Christ. And then he sums it up in the rest of verse 25 by saying we want to serve God and try to do it in our minds -- our minds are in perfect agreement with serving God. But the reason we fail is because we are trying to do it in oldness of the letter which he called using the flesh, which is what you actually read in vv 18-20. So, when we will to serve God with our minds, but the flesh instead is utilized we instead fail as the verse you pointed out describes. So, Rom 8:1 says to stop walking after that flesh and serving God in that manner, and there is no condemnation! No desperation we read about in the verses you quoted. Paul would not have said that if he continually struggled. You just misread those words and did not notice that Paul was not describing his actual state, but speaking from the perspective of someone who did not know how to properly serve God in newness of spirit that he mentioned in 7:6..

Yes, AMEN! I saw this truth over a year ago. But it illuminated in a very real way recently. Posts by you, MTD, and convo with a friend confirm. I have 3 witnesses.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by houston

Yes, AMEN! I saw this truth over a year ago. But it illuminated in a very real way recently. Posts by you, MTD, and convo with a friend confirm. I have 3 witnesses.

Woohoo!

[houston]

IMO, many Christians have an identity issue.

Should we continue in sin because we have grace?
GOD FORBID!

How can one dead to sin continue in sin?


We're told that someday we will have the victory. Keep praying. Keep pressing. It's just around the corner. Years pass, we're almost there.

No, no, no, no!!! We're dead to sin when we're saved. It's not something worked out over time.

[votivesoul]

I am living an overcoming life in which no present, active, or appearance of sin exists.

I believe in sinless perfection. I believe the law of sin will be present until glorification, but that law of sin need not reign in our mortal bodies. It can be crushed by repentance from dead works and faith toward God, building ourselves up in our most holy faith by praying in the Spirit, hating the garment stained by the flesh, etc.

A few weeks ago at a home fellowship, as I spoke to those present regarding sanctification. I assured them that as they progressed in their walk with God, that they CAN, through the Blood of the Atonement, get to a place where they begin to "sin less" until they reach a point of being "sinless".

Jaws dropped and revelation kicked in!

I was told by two people "No one has ever said that to me before".

God changed their minds and hearts toward how to live for Him that very moment.

It was beautiful.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I am living an overcoming life in which no present, active, or appearance of sin exists.

I believe in sinless perfection. I believe the law of sin will be present until glorification, but that law of sin need not reign in our mortal bodies. It can be crushed by repentance from dead works and faith toward God, building ourselves up in our most holy faith by praying in the Spirit, hating the garment stained by the flesh, etc.

A few weeks ago at a home fellowship, as I spoke to those present regarding sanctification. I assured them that as they progressed in their walk with God, that they CAN, through the Blood of the Atonement, get to a place where they begin to "sin less" until they reach a point of being "sinless".

Jaws dropped and revelation kicked in!

I was told by two people "No one has ever said that to me before".

God changed their minds and hearts toward how to live for Him that very moment.

It was beautiful.

It is faith in the power of the atoning blood of Jesus Christ and the mercy of God, not anything I personally merit or can do. My faith (trust, reliance, belief) in what the death and resurrection of Yeshua accomplished in me when God saved me that keeps me living a pure life of blameless holiness, to be obedient to the Father in all things.

I earn none of these things. They are credited to me by faith.

[votivesoul]

When lust hath conceived, it bringeth for sin, and sin when it is finished bringeth forth death.

The wages of sin is death.

Salvation should not be looked at like a yo-yo, where a believer every day goes from saved to lost with every action or inaction.

Salvation should be understood as the power of God to keep us in His hand by His grace, through faith, and that He will constantly lead us back to Him for forgiveness if we miss the mark.

But if a person ignores that grace, and allows sin to abide, at the end, when sin has done its work, it will bring forth the wages which are meet: death.

And if physical death occurs while sin abides, the judgment seat of Christ will be terrifying.