Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The HUMANITY was anointed like Adam was intended to remain. Jesus is last Adam.

Amen.

[Esaias]

"Is Christ God?" I have never (until FCF, nFCF, and AFF) known a self identified "oneness" believer NOT give an emphatic YES! answer to that question.

"...The evening time has come, tis a fact God and Christ are ONE..."

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If the Son was God the Son was the Father. With minimal explanation Im fine with that.

In some sense yes, but in some sense no.

Until you can say the son both is and isn't the father then you'll only ever have half the truth.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"Is Christ God?" I have never (until FCF, nFCF, and AFF) known a self identified "oneness" believer NOT give an emphatic YES! answer to that question.

"...The evening time has come, tis a fact God and Christ are ONE..."

That's because oneness is primarily interested in the person that is god. The trinity is primarily interested in the roles of God.

As such the oneness says the father is the son because they are both the same person. The trinity says the father is not the son because the father and son are different roles.

However in the right context either approach may begin to sound like the other.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

That's because oneness is primarily interested in the person that is god. The trinity is primarily interested in the roles of God.

As such the oneness says the father is the son because they are both the same person. The trinity says the father is not the son because the father and son are different roles.

However in the right context either approach may begin to sound like the other.

Again, and this cannot be overlooked.... trinity sees Father, Son and Spirit interacting with each other for eternity past like Son and Father did after the incarnation. And that is a HUGE difference. God was as alone as Adam was without Eve when Adam was first created. And his counterpart as Eve was to Adam was not the Son of God. But was the CHURCH, the BRIDE.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Again, and this cannot be overlooked.... trinity sees Father, Son and Spirit interacting with each other like Son and Father did after the incarnation. And that is a HUGE difference. God was as alone as Adam was without Eve when Adam was first created. And his counterpart as Eve was to Adam was not the Son of God. But was the CHURCH, the BRIDE.

Is this making a mountain out of a molehill? Or can't see the forest for the trees?

If the only difference really is that the trinity asserts that each role was eternal and oneness doesn't that seems rather minor doesn't it? Especially since oneness already affirms simultaneous roles.

[mfblume]

Is this making a mountain out of a molehill? Or can't see the forest for the trees?

If the only difference really is that the trinity asserts that each role was eternal and oneness doesn't that seems rather minor doesn't it? Especially since oneness already affirms simultaneous roles.

I made a typo and added what I should have stated here above as emboldened and underscrored.

No, it's a HUGE mountain of mountains to believe the "three" interacted in eternity past rather than God being alone as Adam was when created.

It's the difference between polytheism and monotheism, in actuality.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I made a typo and added what I should have stated here above as emboldened and underscrored.

No, it's a HUGE mountain of mountains to believe the "three" interacted in eternity past rather than God being alone as Adam was when created.

It's the difference between polytheism and monotheism, in actuality.

Why is that anymore of a problem than believing the three interacted after the incarnation?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Why is that anymore of a problem than believing the three interacted after the incarnation?

Because eternality implies polytheism. Really, what's different about polytheism than three eternal interacting persons?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Because eternality implies polytheism. Really, what's different about polytheism than three eternal interacting persons?

But how does it imply polytheism anymore than the father, son and holy spirit interacting forever after the incarnation?