One other thing... the NT as well as early post apostolic/ante-nicene history indicate a common feature of apostolic worship was the ecstatic song ... ie an impromptu spirit-inspired song often glossalalic. Bartleman in his account of the Azusa street revival describes the same phenomena as occuring there.
By the way, if you just cast your view across the religious landscape you will see a growing dussatisfaction with shallow, me centered worship experiences. I believe God is priming the population for a return to serious Christianity.
This is true, though most of the articles I've read have been focusing more on how music has become entertainment or a concert, not so much the content of the songs. Lights, fog, mega-screens -- all have been well-deserved fodder in several articles in the past year.
One other thing... the NT as well as early post apostolic/ante-nicene history indicate a common feature of apostolic worship was the ecstatic song ... ie an impromptu spirit-inspired song often glossalalic. Bartleman in his account of the Azusa street revival describes the same phenomena as occuring there.
Does this still happen? If not then why not?
i still remember this from Evangelistic Temple in Houston. that was 35 years ago, however, but i would go back just for the praise service; and i am not a gospel music guy.
I have a cd that gave a rough idea of the principles behind the Sons of Korah. I thought that they were ok, but they were decidedly not my style, but I could not find any fault with their music I heard at the time. I have no idea what they might sound like now.
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One other thing... the NT as well as early post apostolic/ante-nicene history indicate a common feature of apostolic worship was the ecstatic song ... ie an impromptu spirit-inspired song often glossalalic. Bartleman in his account of the Azusa street revival describes the same phenomena as occuring there.
Does this still happen? If not then why not?
It was done occasionally in the early Charismatic movement. My favorite Churches were the ones who sang in tongues. Dont recall hearing that in any Oneness Churches right off hand.
This is true, though most of the articles I've read have been focusing more on how music has become entertainment or a concert, not so much the content of the songs. Lights, fog, mega-screens -- all have been well-deserved fodder in several articles in the past year.
he lost me at the five points of calvinsim. not something I really care that much about.
I like the old hymns. I want my kids to know them and about them for some of the stated reasons, but not to the exclusion of what is being produced now.
they both have their place....
and I utterly reject the argument made that the repition of "your love never fails" is somehow innane or just trying to draw out emotion.
we live in a world where the idea of love is a moving target. love is dangerous and not to be trusted.
sometimes, some things need repitition to drill into the brain. I know a lot of church going folk who have been so damaged, who have been so misused by the modern moving definition of "love" that singing that song and its repetitive nature is GOOD for them.
everything has its place.
I will say to the music leader of today, you have a responsiblity to connect the modern ADHD mind to the beauty and struggle behind those old hymns. Give people a reason to relate to them. Dont expect someone who has no connection to a song written 400 years ago...or even 75 years ago, to get it by osmosis.
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One of the most gloriest times of church that I can remember as a kid would be during testimony service (another relic gone to the graveyard of modernism), an old saint would stand and start singing A Crimson Stream of Blood, Amazing Grace or I'll Fly Away. That was awesome.
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he lost me at the five points of calvinsim. not something I really care that much about.
I like the old hymns. I want my kids to know them and about them for some of the stated reasons, but not to the exclusion of what is being produced now.
they both have their place....
and I utterly reject the argument made that the repition of "your love never fails" is somehow innane or just trying to draw out emotion.
we live in a world where the idea of love is a moving target. love is dangerous and not to be trusted.
sometimes, some things need repitition to drill into the brain. I know a lot of church going folk who have been so damaged, who have been so misused by the modern moving definition of "love" that singing that song and its repetitive nature is GOOD for them.
everything has its place.
I will say to the music leader of today, you have a responsiblity to connect the modern ADHD mind to the beauty and struggle behind those old hymns. Give people a reason to relate to them. Dont expect someone who has no connection to a song written 400 years ago...or even 75 years ago, to get it by osmosis.
He is not a Calvinist. He is AoG. He only mentioned the 5 points thing because many Baptists read his stuff and knew it would strike a chord with them. He was only trying to make a point.
Sorry, but why would a Christian group want to be named for a dude who rebelled against God and was swallowed up in an earthquake?
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