Into His Marvellous Light

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

My point being that dividing it up over two days is less effective. People tend to forget what they learned the previous day

That is not how it went with the study, though. There is a hurdle of sorts since RDTW does spend MUCH time establishing how important the Word is and how we must adapt to it, and not vice versa. But, as I said, the study had phenomenal success.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

My point being that dividing it up over two days is less effective. People tend to forget what they learned the previous day

Then wouldn't they forget the marvelous light study the day after it was given ?
Talk about ineffective...

Razzin

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes they decide to be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit. I sort of read it straight through but as I said I pretty much have it memorized so I end up going off script so to speak

I like to begin with basics, explaining why we need to be saved, then I go through the bible study with them.

I won't let them read any verses out loud themselves as I have found most people who are not used to going to church and reading the bible just don't read very well and it can be painfully slow and you have to end up just reading them again anyways

There are sections where there are fill in the blank questions you use to basically remind them what you just examined

So for you then you basically give a presentation and the paper itself is more of a read-along for them?

I'm just trying to get an idea how it is supposed to work.

Is the success due to the IHML itself? Or the ability of presenters to efficiently articulate the gospel?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is not how it went with the study, though. There is a hurdle of sorts since RDTW does spend MUCH time establishing how important the Word is and how we must adapt to it, and not vice versa. But, as I said, the study had phenomenal success.

Can you describe the material covered and basically how it is presented?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Can you describe the material covered and basically how it is presented?

Generally speaking, it begins with AUTHORITY OF THE WORD. It shows the student how God's word is truth and then how Christ was the Word incarnate. It shows where Jesus said His words will judge us in the last day. And then it shifts into high gear when it reads John 17:20 where Jesus said He prayed for the people who believe on Him through the words of the Apostles. He sent them as much as the Father Sent Him.

That prepares the student to realize there is no such thing as preferring Jesus' words over the Apostles' later in the book of Acts.

Then it goes to show the surprisingly many passages where John and Paul and Peter wrote in their epistles how people must cling to the traditions and teachings and doctrines that THEY preached. Reference to the terms "US" and "OUR" emphasize doctrines the apostles taught, while recalling Christ's words about how we would believe on Him through their words.

One powerful point of emphasis is this:

1Jn 4:6 KJV We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

So, it establishes that whatever they preached as doctrine and gospel and salvation must be preferred regardless of church tradition and so on.

It goes from there to Christ's great commission in all three synoptic gospels, showing the little known passages of Luke 24:47-49.

Then finally it wades into the book of Acts, show what the apostles actually did preach for salvation.

It touches on John 3:16 explaining belief on Jesus must correspond to Jon 17:20, indicating John 3:16 is vague to say the least, and cannot be understood without John 17:20 in mind.

It deals with Romans 10 and the references to confessing with the mouth and believing in the heart, which is what many evangelicals leave people with. And tells folks to KEEP READING, where they read it again always goes back to finding out what the apostles preached in Acts, because Romans 10 says a preacher must be SENT before one can properly hear from a preacher. And the Apostles were the SENT ones.

[Esaias]

Is the RDTW materially fundamentally different from IHML? Also, why would it take two days to present the above information?

Do you think either one could be improved? If so, how?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Is the RDTW materially fundamentally different from IHML? Also, why would it take two days to present the above information?

No, it's just RDTW is far more detailed.

Do you think either one could be improved? If so, how?

Not sure. RDTW actually puts many passages to read beside an asterisk to indicate that those ones can be omitted to save time, and still get the same point across with what is presented.

I found it such a good study that it inspired me to write a book on salvation which is almost finished now.

I think RDTW was the first small mini bible study of its kind in apostolic circles.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shag

Then wouldn't they forget the marvelous light study the day after it was given ?
Talk about ineffective...

Razzin

Not really. You are missing my point though. In order to move on to part 2 it is imperative they recall part 1 because it's a bridge to part 2

the only issue is you have to have 2 days, one right after the other, dedicated to doing this. Not everyone has that kind of time

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So for you then you basically give a presentation and the paper itself is more of a read-along for them?

I'm just trying to get an idea how it is supposed to work.

Is the success due to the IHML itself? Or the ability of presenters to efficiently articulate the gospel?

Sort of, only because I have a lot of it memorized, but no I do read it too. I just often end up not needing to.

I believe the success is partly the study and partly presentation. You yourself have to understand WHAT the point is you are trying to get across.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Rightly Dividing the Word is the best I've seen. It had phenomenal success.

This was the first Bible study I went through. Nearly 15 years ago.