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12-07-2014, 02:48 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by mfblume
No. God is eternal and cannot die.
I see your whole point is that "GOD DIED". God is in a position we're not in. Manifesting as Son as well as being Father. We cannot make comparisons to humanity. I guess it is futile to repeat that point any further. People will believe what they want.
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If he manifested AS Son then He died when the Son died
Being eternal is irrelevant since you've already confirmed that when persons died the Persons live on (Does not cease to exist)
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-07-2014, 04:19 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
If God did die, then how could there be a living God(since He's dead) to raise the dead God back to life?
Where does Jesus being the express image of the person of God for into this? Heb.1:1-3
Is it possible for God to partly be dead and partly alive?
Hard for me to see God as having been dead.(All the more if "no man hath seen God at any time"..)
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12-07-2014, 04:41 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If God did die, then how could there be a living God(since He's dead) to raise the dead God back to life?
Where does Jesus being the express image of the person of God for into this? Heb.1:1-3
Is it possible for God to partly be dead and partly alive?
Hard for me to see God as having been dead.(All the more if "no man hath seen God at any time"..)
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If God didn't die then how can you claim Jesus to be God given that jesus died?
God both died and did not die. He died as the man Jesus christ. He did not die as the Heavenly Father.
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12-07-2014, 05:02 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
If God died (as the man Christ Jesus), then what all exactly is it that died besides human flesh?
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12-07-2014, 05:13 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If God died (as the man Christ Jesus), then what all exactly is it that died besides human flesh?
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The person, Jesus christ? Maybe I should ask What is death?
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12-07-2014, 05:19 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If God did die, then how could there be a living God(since He's dead) to raise the dead God back to life?
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See what I mean? This question/argument assumes death equals ceasing to exist. But as Mike confirmed, persons still exist after death.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-07-2014, 05:21 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If God died (as the man Christ Jesus), then what all exactly is it that died besides human flesh?
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He. Not IT. He.
Someone died. I ask, WHO died for your sins? Did someone die or did something die?
Is your savior someone or something?
My savior is Jesus Christ, not the body of Jesus Christ. My savior is a real living Person
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-07-2014, 05:58 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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I totally agree that God cannot die. Its just I also believe that God did die too.
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God cannot die... AS GOD! But if God became a man, then He certainly can die. And He did. But He died as a man, not as God... and so when people ask "Well then if God died how did He raise Jesus from the dead?" I just shake my head and thank the Lord my children are homeschooled and won't be snookered into such an irrational paradigm. lol
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12-07-2014, 05:59 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Esaias
God cannot die... AS GOD! But if God became a man, then He certainly can die. And He did. But He died as a man, not as God... and so when people ask "Well then if God died how did He raise Jesus from the dead?" I just shake my head and thank the Lord my children are homeschooled and won't be snookered into such an irrational paradigm. lol
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lol
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-07-2014, 06:08 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
See what I mean? This question/argument assumes death equals ceasing to exist. But as Mike confirmed, persons still exist after death.
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Actually the question does not assume that all persons who die cease to exist. It does however assume that God cannot exist as both God and man at the same time.
How is that demonstrated? Because the obvious solution to the supposed conundrum is that God lives on AS GOD.
I think also, on a broader level, people assume that God, in his deity, is a "person" in the same sense we are. Seems to me that the only "person" of God is Jesus Christ. The personality of God prior to the incarnation was a reflection of Jesus, if that makes any sense. All of reality centers on that Man from Galilee. History, eschatology, and theology itself find their reality in Christ. It is as if Christ, being projected back in time and into history, is known as YHVH Elohim.
But all that is speculative. The Bible affirms one God, and Jesus is that one God manifest in flesh.
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