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12-08-2014, 07:46 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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If he manifested AS Son then He died when the Son died
Being eternal is irrelevant since you've already confirmed that when persons died the Persons live on (Does not cease to exist)
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I see your point, and agree to an extent., But why did the Word never say "GOD DIED"? The Word is so wonderful and perfect when we consider these things.
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12-08-2014, 08:02 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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I see your point, and agree to an extent., But why did the Word never say "GOD DIED"? The Word is so wonderful and perfect when we consider these things.
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Technically it never says the words Jesus is God either...
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12-08-2014, 08:32 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Technically it never says the words Jesus is God either...
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It says He is the Almighty, though.
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12-08-2014, 10:30 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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I see your point, and agree to an extent., But why did the Word never say "GOD DIED"? The Word is so wonderful and perfect when we consider these things.
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Why did the word never say "Jesus is God"?
Thats an argument heard often from Unitarians to Muslims...they want quotes where Jesus said "I Am God" in those exact words
but we know from deductive reasoning that the bible teaches Jesus is God without having to use those exact words. Thomas calls him "My God" etc etc
The bible also speaks of God's blood..His own blood
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12-08-2014, 10:31 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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It says He is the Almighty, though.
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but technically it does not say the words "Jesus is God"
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-08-2014, 10:41 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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The one who died is "...the man Christ Jesus." The Word (God) that dwelt in the man did not die: it went back to the Father:
even the Father (God) who spoke the Word and sent it to abide in the ova of a young virgin girl named Mary.
"Father, into your hands I commend my Spirit." The Word (Spirit=God) that was "...in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."
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Is Jesus Christ God? Is the man a different person than YHVH?
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12-09-2014, 03:09 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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The one who died is "...the man Christ Jesus." The Word (God) that dwelt in the man did not die: it went back to the Father:
even the Father (God) who spoke the Word and sent it to abide in the ova of a young virgin girl named Mary.
"Father, into your hands I commend my Spirit." The Word (Spirit=God) that was "...in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."
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This sounds nestorian in that within Christ there are two persons: one the Word and the other a human person. Is that what you are saying?
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12-09-2014, 10:40 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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but technically it does not say the words "Jesus is God"
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But it does say He is the Almighty and we do not eve read the "Almighty died."
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12-09-2014, 12:42 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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But it does say He is the Almighty and we do not eve read the "Almighty died."
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If you want to only say what the text says explicitly where does it ever say "the Almighty is God"
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12-09-2014, 12:54 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
My view is similar to Nestorianism. However, it is also quite different in some ways. What it does acknowledge is the full and authentic humanity of the man Jesus Christ (body, soul, and spirit) and His absolute spiritual union with the Father through mutual indwelling (coinherence) of spirit through the abiding Spirit. Thus this union facilitates a "Oneness" in which each partake of the other's nature and identity, making them "one" as it relates to both being and person.
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one. (KJV)
John 10:38
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (KJV)
John 12:45
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (KJV)
John 14:7-10
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (KJV)
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