Reason for Church Services

[Esaias]

That is the purpose of the apostles, prophets, evangelists, and pastors/teachers. Their purpose is only partly fulfilled during the corporate gathering of the Body.

The apostles etc are given to the church for the perfecting of the saints for the work of service so the body of Christ can be built. Apostles etc are to perfect the saints. Who are then able to serve. This service is geared toward the building of the body of Christ (the church).

Thus the saints are to be perfected (matured?) so they can serve in a way that will build the Lord's church.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Again, your expression of this thought about ethics belies the fact that you truly believe the pastor can set up laws and boundaries per his own ideas, and that those in his church are expected to comply.

But if you would stop and consider the fact that leadership in the church is to lead by example as servants unto the Lord, and couple this with the teaching of Jesus (Mark 10:42-45) that the disciples were not to be as Lord's over the people, then you realize this is a false teaching, and understanding.

You don't have to micromanage God's people to have them be saved. You teach them principles from the Word of God, and teach them to be led of the Spirit in application. If the spirit cannot teach people how to live a godly, holy life, how do you expect a man's laws to be able to do something the spirit cannot?

Ma'am,
Just like in every company there is a chain of command. The church of God is no different.

My children do not have the wisdom or the experience to make good life choices even though my teenagers will tell you different. So it is in the church there are different levels of wisdom and experience. I can only suppose that there are no rules in your house in regard to your children and no limits?

I believe that there are micro managers in the churches of God and I am not advocating that. But I also believe that Good sincere men are capable of making mistakes and maybe even bad judgment. That does not excuse the fact that they are just trying to convey a safety attitude and culture that most people don't naturally have, especially when it comes to a group of any size. We all come from varied cultures and ethnicities.

I’m sure that even the house churches have rules for things they won’t accept, Depending on their level of tolerance. If a guy came in with mud on his boots, who wouldn’t say something at the door?

Micro managing is not ever right, but your definition could be skewed because you are a woman. And women naturally are the weaker vessel and have had problems with authority since the garden. Try to compose yourself when typing it can be misunderstood.


Sincerely,
J.A. Perez

[n david]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Just like in every company there is a chain of command. The church of God is no different.

You mean this chain of command:

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

I don't see the part where it's written the head of every man is some other man.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by n david

You mean this chain of command:

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

I don't see the part where it's written the head of every man is some other man.

No, but your close.
If you take hat verse in its context it would read:

1Corinthians 11:1-3
11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Nice try,
J.A. Perez

[n david]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

No, but your close.
If you take hat verse in its context it would read:

1Corinthians 11:1-3
11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Nice try,
J.A. Perez

No, sorry. Paul didn't set himself up as the one-man authority over the church in Corinth. That's not what he's saying.

Some treat the Pastor like a Catholic Priest, as though he has some connection to God no one else can have.

Not so.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by n david

No, sorry. Paul didn't set himself up as the one-man authority over the church in Corinth. That's not what he's saying.

Some treat the Pastor like a Catholic Priest, as though he has some connection to God no one else can have.

Not so.

Sir,

I didnt say much, I just said your close.

It was just scriptire I didnt even highlight anything?

HAHA! but thats just like u.

Go ahead and argue with the word all you want, I never said to treat a man like a priest? The word teaches the principle to follow the elder/pastor/shephard like they follow Christ. People dont even do that, many pastors hold a very modest stand in life in general, but people in the congregation see it, but think they can get by with much less. Then the Pastor gets up to help and address certain dangers and people call him a legalist.

You are awesome,
J.A. Perez

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by n david

You mean this chain of command:
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
I don't see the part where it's written the head of every man is some other man.

Christ is the head of EVERY (plural) man; the man (singular) is the head of the woman (singular).

The only person over whom a man has authority is his own wife...this includes the Ministry. The
only man to whom the woman needs to submit, is to her own husband. If she submits
to another, she is playing the role of a harlot; and if a man would exercise authority over a
woman or another man's wife, he is committing adultery.

We have not touched upon the authority of the scriptures.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Christ is the head of EVERY (plural) man; the man (singular) is the head of the woman (singular).

The only person over whom a man has authority is his own wife...this includes the Ministry. The
only man to whom the woman needs to submit, is to her own husband. If she submits
to another, she is playing the role of a harlot; and if a man would exercise authority over a
woman or another man's wife, he is committing adultery.

We have not touched upon the authority of the scriptures.

Well, as long as the man is in right standing with God and His Word then he is to follow the minisrty as they follow Christ. Do they Not?

If you say no then is Paul in violation of the Word by saying “follow me as I follow Christ”?

1. What if the woman is a widow?

2. What if her husband left her and she is not divorced?

3. What if she is divorced and her husband is remarried?

4. What if her husband in not in church and it’s because he is clearly in rebellion?

I do believe as long as I as a husband am in good standing with God, then I am my wife’s head, but in these scenarios I believe the scripture stands with the authority of the ministry as well.

Do you not?

Where do you see in the bible your version of this line or principle taught?

Sincerely curious,
J.A. Perez

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Christ is the head of EVERY (plural) man; the man (singular) is the head of the woman (singular).

The only person over whom a man has authority is his own wife...this includes the Ministry. The
only man to whom the woman needs to submit, is to her own husband. If she submits
to another, she is playing the role of a harlot; and if a man would exercise authority over a
woman or another man's wife, he is committing adultery.

We have not touched upon the authority of the scriptures.

Sir, I seriously question your understanding?

If this reasoning is correct then if a man takes authority over another man does that make him guilty of homo sexuality?

Is there no authority given to a spiritual father over those that he has begotten through the gospel through Christ Jesus?

1Corinthians 4;15
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Sincerely,
J.A. Perez

[Scott Pitta]

What is the purpose of the church ? Edification of the body of believers, evangelism of the lost and the exultation of our Lord.

For practical purposes, our Sunday morning service is for all the members to worship in a corporate way. This is the pastors chance to feed the body en masse.

Our other services are distinctly different and serve specific purposes. Our senior citizens meet in the daytime, not at night. They sing old songs. Their pastor is a senior.

The youth and their youth pastor are your typical energetic bunch of loud music and activities that reflect the spiritual and social needs of the teens.

Our most attended services are when a meal is served. The poor enjoy eating at our church. Prayer meetings do not have a social element to them.

Church services meet the unique needs of the distinct group that compose the population of our congregation.