Why I am Now Convinced of a Pre-Trib Rapture

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

I think some of you actually think eternity and heaven is going to look and be exactly like what you see on earth. We have been trained this way by our mentors.

But this "glimpse" of the things seen in heaven, cannot be brought down to our human reasoning always.

Once in a while, we must simply realize that the Lord has the power to change in appearance as we see in scripture.

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:





Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth


The "carnal" man cannot fathom this, so they must invent concepts to rationalize the so called, "bizarre" visions of heaven as see by John.

John would be the first one to admit what he saw was real....why cant we?

So maybe Jesus is a shape shifter. He goes from a white haired, glory emitting God/man to a seven eyed lamb with seven horns. Yeah, right.

[Sean]

Say, "yeah right" to the book of Rev. bro.

I got it from there.

[Sean]

Can anyone on AFF tell me exactly what Jesus looks like?

Can anyone on AFF say that Jesus cannot appear to folks in a variety of forms?

I sure cannot, therefore I give John the benefit of the doubt.

I simply believe what John saw.

I side with the things not understood by the carnal mind

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Sean

I think some of you actually think eternity and heaven is going to look and be exactly like what you see on earth. We have been trained this way by our mentors.

But this "glimpse" of the things seen in heaven, cannot be brought down to our human reasoning always.

Once in a while, we must simply realize that the Lord has the power to change in appearance as we see in scripture.

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:





Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth


The "carnal" man cannot fathom this, so they must invent concepts to rationalize the so called, "bizarre" visions of heaven as see by John.

John would be the first one to admit what he saw was real....why cant we?

John said it was a vision and what he saw and described was "signified."

And I too believe you are a very good man and have done much study, but as I've said before, you make and build from a faulty foundation based on predetermined conclusions which is why there are so many cracks in the walls that keep getting exposed, but you are a good man.

[Sean]

Thanks Bowas, I just fear misinterpreting things that I feel I have no right to try to interpret.

I dont know what Jesus looks like as we speak.

All I have to go on is what John saw.

I guess I just dont have enough guts to assume some other idea.

My futurist friends try to explain away these passages to their liking also.

I was doing it myself, until I saw what you guys were doing with preterism on AFF 2 years ago and turn and ran the other way.

Now I choose to by SUPER literal...

You folks SCARED me...LOL

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Originalist

How does its leaves heal nations that were not part of the new earth? Why would healing be needed in such a place?

Bingo!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Originalist

ha ha Yes and I'd say a tree with healing leaves is symbolic.

Of course it is. Otherwise SICKNESS IS IN HEAVEN. Now how nonsensical is that?

[Sean]

Look at these guys attack the plain teachings of the Word Of God.

Hallelujah!

These guys are fired up!

For whom?

They actually dont believe this is real!.....

22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


This tree is for your well being, just like the Garden of Eden, when it was there.




This is such incredible detail, yet it doesnt exist.....bummer!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Look at these guys attack the plain teachings of the Word Of God.

Hallelujah!

These guys are fired up!

For whom?

They actually dont believe this is real!.....

22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

No, no one posted that Sean. No one posted that these items aren't real. They are just telling you that they believe they are symbols which point to real issues within the Kingdom of God. Now come back to the eschatology section and explain to me about the Exclusive New Covenant which will be offered to the Jews in the Millennium.

[Sean]

I did, and it is awesome!!!

The Jews will have a new covenant, according to the promise to the fathers'.

Paul said it, so count on it!!!