Why I Am A Futurist

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Rev 1:7 says that Christ would come and those who pierced him would see him. That means the actual generation and not their descendants because Ezekiel 18:1-4 said the sins of the fathers could not be put upon the children so as to make the children guilty of crucifying the Lord........

Won't everyone in the resurrection see him? In other words those who died 2000 years ago will one day see the one they pierced without it actually being in that generation?

Ex 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

[good samaritan]

I have just had the thought. In the book I think 1 Samuel when the children of Israel said give us a king so we can be like the other nations it is just like that. The nation of Israel wanted to cease being the kingdom of God and be a kingdom like other nations. From that time to now there has been small revivals as a nation, but throughout scripture I don't see them ever really getting a foot hold again. The natural nation of Israel was contented to just be another kingdom instead of being the kingdom of God. I am broad brushing the nation of Israel and I realize that, because I know there has always been a remnant who continued to serve God.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I have just had the thought. In the book I think 1 Samuel when the children of Israel said give us a king so we can be like the other nations it is just like that. The nation of Israel wanted to cease being the kingdom of God and be a kingdom like other nations. From that time to now there has been small revivals as a nation, but throughout scripture I don't see them ever really getting a foot hold again. The natural nation of Israel was contented to just be another kingdom instead of being the kingdom of God.

yup. The man-made, Zionist farce is no different, even if God did allow it, imo.

[Sean]

The 70ad massacre was brought on because of insurrections...

The Holocaust was touched off for no reason at all(yet almost 70% of Jews perished on earth)...

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Sean

The 70ad massacre was brought on because of insurrections...

The Holocaust was touched off for no reason at all(yet almost 70% of Jews perished on earth)...

So AD70 coming of the Lord in judgement against Jerusalem where he destroyed the temple, as he prophecied, is a mere blip on the radar and didn't warrant any prophecies, particularly in that the temple, the central point of their religion, has no prophetic significance?

So wrong...BTW, Im glad the Christians at that time believed Jesus' words and fled when they saw Jerusalem surrounded/encompassed by armies.

Also, double check your numbers how many Jews were around globally during Hitlers time.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Bowas

So AD70 coming of the Lord in judgement against Jerusalem where he destroyed the temple, as he prophecied, is a mere blip on the radar and didn't warrant any prophecies, particularly in that the temple, the central point of their religion, has no prophetic significance?

It was just the beginning of a long dispersion that would end in the mid 1900s. Have you noticed that you are fascinated with the 70ad event and forget that there is more to the verse....Luke 21:24
24 And they(Jews) shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down(occupied) of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.(This means the Jews will reoccupy future Jerusalem...June 1967 the city was taken back by Jewish forces for the 1st time in 2000 years. The Jews now occupy Jerusalem as the new owners. There was a prophecied end to the dispersion, not just a judgement as you guys magnify )

So wrong...BTW, Im glad the Christians at that time believed Jesus' words and fled when they saw Jerusalem surrounded/encompassed by armies.

Yes they did, but Christians along with Jews were systematically slaughtered until the time of Constantine.

Also, double check your numbers how many Jews were around globally during Hitlers time.

They(numbers) are on the post of the modern site I gave. I did not assume the ANCIENT Jewish population statistics like you did on your post Bowas.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Sean

They(numbers) are on the post of the modern site I gave. I did not assume the ANCIENT Jewish population statistics like you did on your post Bowas.

Ok. Do me a favor. Provide your source that gives an estimate or assumption as to the worlds population during that time.

P.S. Your "modern" numbers are assumptions as well, as you didn't personally count them, so you too are making an assumption, and since when did you suddenly become a fan of things "modern", as I recall, you reject ALL "modern" Bible translations. (I can hear the exceptions now. lol)

[Michael The Disciple]

Ok here is the bottom line about full preterism. Its spoken of by the apostle Paul.

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

2 Tim. 2:16-18

It is a dangerous faith destroying doctrine. It robs the Christian of the very thing he was looking for when he came to Christ to start with....HOPE.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok here is the bottom line about full preterism. Its spoken of by the apostle Paul.

2 Tim. 2:16-18

It is a dangerous faith destroying doctrine. It robs the Christian of the very thing he was looking for when he came to Christ to start with....HOPE.

I am not full preterist, but brother, full preterists believe they each receive a resurrection upon death. So, they do not deny resurrection. Like I said, I disagree with that concept, but they do preach resurrection in each individual's future. Hymenaeus and Philetus did not. They think 1 Cor 15's resurrection is not AD70 but upon each person's death.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am not full preterist, but brother, full preterists believe they each receive a resurrection upon death. So, they do not deny resurrection. Like I said, I disagree with that concept, but they do preach resurrection in each individual's future. Hymenaeus and Philetus did not. They think 1 Cor 15's resurrection is not AD70 but upon each person's death.

Jesus taught a general resurrection. No one is resurrected upon their death. Just more heresy.