Why I Am A Futurist

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Strange isnt it that Dom never touched on what I said at all. No more free ride. The Prets jump into every thread......never missing a chance to push their faith destroying doctrine, and will follow people all around the forum demanding we answer their questions.

Ladies and Gentlemen, and children of all ages, Mr Mike, was invited to come to the Eschatology section (I even made him his own thread) entitled Two Witness Prophets? The Man Child Ministry? Yet, he declined. But he did answer my question concerning what he thought about what I believe concerning eschatology. He believes that it is faith destroying? Yes, that's what he said, faith destroying. I guess he is sticking up for an individual who refused to answer my posts on his belief that God has another covenant other then the one we are in currently. This covenant is exclusive to ONLY Jews in the Millennium? This was interesting, and so I asked the poster numerous times to answer, and explain. Only to be told to pray about it.

I guess Micheal the Disciple also adheres to an Exclusive New Covenant which leap frogs over the New Testament of Jesus Christ to be ONLY offered to the Jews in the Millennium

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Again I ask WHO ARE WE? The New Testament according to them is only for you if it addressed specifically to you. Since those to whom it was addressed went to Heaven in 70ad WHO ARE WE?

What makes Prets think they know anything about God or his will? What are they basing it upon since NONE of the New Testament was ever written to them?

Were you angry as you typed the above Mike? Because I haven't a clue as to what you are saying when you post that people who believe in a fulfilled eschatology don't believe any of the New Testament was written to them?

Well, alas, since that is what you believe then I'm at a loss, because after all you claim I'm the midget, and you are the all seeing wise giant.

So, here is my chance to be led to deeper truths, so Mike be the sighted guide for me. Teach, you be the teacher, and I will be the student.

Spoon feed me.

So please answer my questions I'm eager to learn. You see you couldn't be eager to know anything from me, because I am in a faith destroying belief.

Your words, so please lead on.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, an extinguished sun, and stars falling towards earth? Are these literal stars and a sun going out? Does the rapture take place right when these things happen? Then these saints which have been taken up in a rapture are returned when the New Jerusalem comes down and touches down on a refurbished planet?

Please, I'm eager to hear your thoughts, or at least read them.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, quick question?

Who is Mystery Babylon?

[Michael The Disciple]

Were you angry as you typed the above Mike? Because I haven't a clue as to what you are saying when you post that people who believe in a fulfilled eschatology don't believe any of the New Testament was written to them?

My question to Prets has been the same since post 1. The entire point you attempt to make is that since Yeshua spoke the things in Matt 24 it ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE PEOPLE.

It has no meaning for us 20 centuries later because it only refers to that particular group.

That is your foundation.

So my point is how is any of the scriptures applicable to us? Our name is found NOWHERE in the New Testament. The Lord and Savior came (according to you) in 70ad. He took his people to Heaven.

The gospels, the book of Acts, and especially the book of Revelation were all written to THOSE PEOPLE. The teachings that prepared THOSE RAPTURED PEOPLE for their trip to Heaven were not given to anyone except those who were preparing for such.

So the question WHO ARE WE is logical to ask. The people to whom the New Testament was written to were ANOTHER PEOPLE. Not us as your doctrine proclaims.

[Michael The Disciple]

Here is a good example as to what Im saying.

Let us remember.......who is being addressed?

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. Acts 2:5-13

People back in THE FIRST CENTURY of differing nationalities heard the preaching of the Apostles to themselves. When the Apostles preached the message WE WERE NOT THERE. Peter told THEM the following.

37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

So the Apostles told the men of THAT UNTOWARD GENERATION to repent be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost. Then he said this promise was FOR THEM and their children and people who were far off.

So there (according to Pret logic) we can safely contend that what Peter told the crowd that day was ONLY FOR THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN! It was only for THAT UNTOWARD GENERATION.

So as Yeshua said in Matt 24 THIS generation shall not pass the Prets claim it is limited to the generation he spoke it to. They must now accept that the preaching of Acts chapter two as being limited to THAT UNTOWARD GENERATION.

See how this works Dom? So you really have no authority to tell anyone to do what Peter told THAT GENERATION AND THEIR CHILDREN to do.

So since the people that followed Peters instructions went to Heaven in 70 ad WHO ARE WE? Has Yeshua's teachings of salvation any meaning to us?

For us to try to claim Acts 2 as being for us 20 centuries after the coming of Yeshua taking his people back to Heaven would be like someone in the first century Apostolic Church looking at Moses teachings and telling everyone they must follow his teachings for salvation. It would not have applied at that time.

[Michael The Disciple]

So we are continually mocked who believe there is a future fulfillment to prophecy. We are ridiculed as "dispensationalists".

And yet what we have discovered is that the Prets THEMSELVES are the most extreme dispensationlists.

They have created a very limited and short dispensation from Pentecost to 70ad in which the rapture took place.

Next they have a 20 centuries dispensation that they have not explained as to WHO IS IN IT. 20 centuries have passed by of people who were NOT involved in the rapture, neither were they ever promised such a thing.

So friends WHO ARE WE ANYHOW? What relevance does the preaching of Christ have to us? Was there plan B given somewhere to teach those of us who were never promised a rapture to Heaven?

Or are we simply doomed because we are not even mentioned in the Bible? WHO ARE WE?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Welcome back.

Now answer my questions

Won't happen.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you believe what I believe is the truth or that it is false?

2 Timothy 2:16-18

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Dom,

Since you teach what they taught......the resurrection is past already, you are obviously teaching false.

As I said earlier it is a faith destroying doctrine.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Won't happen.

No, it doesn't look like it.

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom,

You are currently teaching your doctrine in all threads about the end time. I started this one as a witness to why one would believe in a future coming of Christ and resurrection from the dead.

Instead of demanding that I answer your questions why dont you answer mine?

I really just have one main question for you.

If the resurrection happened in 70ad WHO ARE WE?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

2 Timothy 2:16-18

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Dom,

Since you teach what they taught......the resurrection is past already, you are obviously teaching false.

As I said earlier it is a faith destroying doctrine.

Since I teach what they taught? No I don't. I guess you don't know what I teach. But will call it faith destroying anyway. Well, like I said you are the sighted giant of all you survey. I am only a wee midget and simply waiting for you to teach me. Since I learn best when I ask questions of a Master (like yourself) I will be the weed hopper you can spoon feed.

Now please answer....

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, an extinguished sun, and stars falling towards earth? Are these literal stars and a sun going out? Does the rapture take place right when these things happen? Then these saints which have been taken up in a rapture are returned when the New Jerusalem comes down and touches down on a refurbished planet?

Please, I'm eager to hear your thoughts, or at least read them.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mike, quick question?

Who is Mystery Babylon?

Mike ever since Brother Jim Yohe asked me to join his forum way back in the Faith Child days, we who believe in a Fulfilled Eschatology have answered questions. If you look at the Eschatology section you will see that it is thick with Preterism. Do you know why? Because it is the Preterists who answer questions. Elder M Blume has done a splendid job posting on forums, making videos and writing books. Which are all available to be accessed.

Yet, it is like trying to nail jello to the wall having you answer my questions. But you are the sighted one, Mike, you are the one who is supposed to have the ultimate truth. Want to know something, after all these years knowing you, all I know is that you are Post Trib. I don't even know what kind of Post Trib, I don't know if you believe that the Church and physical Israel are different, or if the Church is the True Israel. Does the Church and Physical Israel have different plans from God? Do you believe in an Exclusive New Covenant to be offered to Jews living in the Millennium? Or do you even believe in a physical Millennium sometime in the far far away future?

Mike want to know why I don't know? Because when YOU are asked, YOU won't answer.

So, please if I am so shot out, be a good chap, and convert me.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Strange isnt it that Dom never touched on what I said at all. No more free ride. The Prets jump into every thread......never missing a chance to push their faith destroying doctrine, and will follow people all around the forum demanding we answer their questions.

Again I ask WHO ARE WE? The New Testament according to them is only for you if it addressed specifically to you. Since those to whom it was addressed went to Heaven in 70ad WHO ARE WE?

What makes Prets think they know anything about God or his will? What are they basing it upon since NONE of the New Testament was ever written to them?

Good question Michael, maybe the preterist thinks we are the afterbirth of Pentecost...LOL