Why I Am A Futurist - Page 13

Michael The Disciple · #**121** 02-02-2015, 05:13 PM

I cant remember any Christian type groups our ministries who were clueless about how the Church is the kingdom of God in this present time.

Most understand that what we experience now we experience entirely by faith. It is a present reality but obviously there is coming a time when Jesus Christ will in all actuality establish a kingdom on this Earth.

Peter saw it coming in the future.

2 Peter 1:5-11

5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

So those who are abiding in the kingdom now (by faith) were told if they make their calling and election sure will be granted entrance INTO THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM OF THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

Esaias · #**122** 02-02-2015, 05:15 PM

Not to mention Paul taught flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom thus we have to translated.

mfblume · #**123** 02-02-2015, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I cant remember any Christian type groups our ministries who were clueless about how the Church is the kingdom of God in this present time.

Most understand that what we experience now we experience entirely by faith. It is a present reality but obviously there is coming a time when Jesus Christ will in all actuality establish a kingdom on this Earth.

Peter saw it coming in the future.

2 Peter 1:5-11

5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

So those who are abiding in the kingdom now (by faith) were told if they make their calling and election sure will be granted entrance INTO THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM OF THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

How can Jesus day the kingdom doesn't come with observation if it will be physical on the earth? He said you can't point in any direction and say it is there. That's because it'll never be physical.

Esaias · #**124** 02-02-2015, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume

How can Jesus day the kingdom doesn't come with observation if it will be physical on the earth? He said you can't point in any direction and say it is there. That's because it'll never be physical.

You just denied the resurrection! Sure looks like it, anyway!

Jesus resurrected and was "physical". Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. He then explained we have to experience physical resurrection.

There will also be a new heqven and new earth. Do you deny that? Do you not agree with Paul that the whole creation is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God?

On a side note how do you explain the kingdom coming as OBSERVED by the destruction of Jerusalem? And did not Jesus say some would not taste of death till they SEE THE KINGDOM? How does that not contradict your notion of non observableness of the kingdom?

Perhsps you have misunderstood what Jesus meant. He did, after all, say some then would SEE the kingdom of God.

mfblume · #**125** 02-02-2015, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias

You just denied the resurrection! Sure looks like it, anyway!

Jesus resurrected and was "physical". Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. He then explained we have to experience physical resurrection.

There will also be a new heqven and new earth. Do you deny that? Do you not agree with Paul that the whole creation is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God?

On a side note how do you explain the kingdom coming as OBSERVED by the destruction of Jerusalem? And did not Jesus say some would not taste of death till they SEE THE KINGDOM? How does that not contradict your notion of non observableness of the kingdom?

Perhsps you have misunderstood what Jesus meant. He did, after all, say some then would SEE the kingdom of God.

I already answered you. But calm down some, okay. And all these charges. You know i believe in a resurrection. The kingdom itself is not as i indicated the last time you said this. If Jesus was not taking about the lack of a physical kingdom itself, why did he say you can't say it is here or there? He meant the kingdom itself being physical.

But again, wow. What's the brash tone all about?

Esaias · #**126** 02-02-2015, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume

I already answered you. But calm down some, okay. And all these charges. You know i believe in a resurrection. The kingdom itself is not as i indicated the last time you said this. If Jesus was not taking about the lack of a physical kingdom itself, why did he say you can't say it is here or there? He meant the kingdom itself being physical.

But again, wow. What's the brash tone all about?

Brash? I'm not being brash. Least I don't feel brash lol.

I'm saying that when you say "the kingdom will never be physical" that it sure seems to me like a denial of the resurrection.

I know you believe in resurrection, but I think you are making statements which contradict that. Looks inconsistent to me.

Did not mean to sound rude or gruff or whatever. Texting from phone.

Michael The Disciple · #**127** 02-02-2015, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume

How can Jesus day the kingdom doesn't come with observation if it will be physical on the earth? He said you can't point in any direction and say it is there. That's because it'll never be physical.

Mike its not so hard.

The Holy Spirit is the EARNEST OF OUR INHERITANCE.
The inheritance is greater than the earnest! The kingdom is presently on two levels.

Now watch this please.

Level a. Present.

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Col 1:13-14

Level b. Future.

10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:10-11

Peter is writing to Christians who by faith are in the kingdom. Yet he tells THEM if they bear fruit an ENTRANCE shall be granted them INTO THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST!

The kingdom of the Holy Ghost realm....comes not with observation. That realm or walk of faith where no one sees anything. We walk by faith and not by sight.

Michael The Disciple · #**128** 02-02-2015, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume

How can Jesus day the kingdom doesn't come with observation if it will be physical on the earth? He said you can't point in any direction and say it is there. That's because it'll never be physical.

Believe the whole counsel of God. Thats the answer to all of our questions. When we take a few verses and make our doctrine all about just them we will err.

mfblume · #**129** 02-02-2015, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Believe the whole counsel of God. Thats the answer to all of our questions. When we take a few verses and make our doctrine all about just them we will err.

Everyone knows that, bro. No where does it say the kingdom is physical. Christ's words disallow it.

This is the difference between talking to goodsamaritan and others.

mfblume · #**130** 02-02-2015, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Mike its not so hard.

The Holy Spirit is the EARNEST OF OUR INHERITANCE.

What has that go to do with whether or not the kingdom is physical?

Quote:

The inheritance is greater than the earnest! The kingdom is presently on two levels.

Right, but What has that go to do with whether or not the kingdom is physical? I believe the kingdom increases exponentially after the end. How can it not? Sin is gone then. But that does not mean it will become physical.

Quote:

Now watch this please.

Level a. Present.

13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Col 1:13-14

Level b. Future.

10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:10-11

Peter is writing to Christians who by faith are in the kingdom. Yet he tells THEM if they bear fruit an ENTRANCE shall be granted them INTO THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST!

The kingdom of the Holy Ghost realm....comes not with observation. That realm or walk of faith where no one sees anything. We walk by faith and not by sight.

Still... what has that go to do with whether or not the kingdom is physical? I see no physical kingdom in any of these passages, and you say it's easy to see?